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2025 Year in Review: Why RWAs are Taking Off in 2026 with Chris Yin and Teddy Pornprinya of Plume

The Real World Assets (RWA) sector is positioned for significant growth into 2026, with the primary investment opportunity being the underlying infrastructure rather than the assets themselves. As the foundational settlement layer, consider an investment in Ethereum (ETH) to gain broad exposure to the institutional adoption of RWAs. For a higher-growth retail play, watch specialized blockchains like Plume Network, which is attracting a massive user base by making RWAs compatible with DeFi. Also, research key infrastructure protocols that enable RWA strategies, such as the yield protocol Ethena and the lending platform Morpho. This "picks and shovels" approach offers a way to potentially capture the high-multiple growth of the entire RWA ecosystem.

How AI Agents Are Replacing Hedge Fund Managers with Pei Chen of Theoriq

Google (GOOGL) is a high-conviction investment, as its Gemini AI is poised to dominate due to its deep integration into Google's widely-used product suite. A prediction market gives Gemini a 92% chance of being the "best AI" by the end of 2025, reinforcing the strong bull case for the stock. For a more speculative play on the Crypto AI theme, the recently launched Theoriq (THQ) token offers exposure to AI-managed asset strategies. The key metric for THQ is the growth of its AlphaVault TVL, with investors watching to see if it can grow from $24 million toward its $100 million goal. Finally, Coinbase (COIN) is leveraging AI for growth by launching a new AI-powered advisor, which could create significant new revenue streams for the company.

Stablecoins in 2025: The Breakout Year In Review (And What Comes Next...)

For stablecoin yield, consider sUSDS due to its actively managed, diversified portfolio and strong risk management. In contrast, the high yield from Ethena's sUSDe is now considered less attractive as its single "basis trade" strategy has become crowded and carries significant concentration risk. For a more conservative approach, look into BlackRock's BUILD tokenized T-bill, which is expected to see significant growth next year as a safer on-chain yield source. The entire Yield-Bearing Stablecoin sector is positioned for major expansion, especially if central banks lower interest rates, making DeFi yields more attractive. Keep an eye on emerging projects like USDAI, which plans to generate yield by financing GPU power, as a potential opportunity for 2026.

What Altcoins Are Actually Worth Holding with Lark Davis

Consider selling underperforming altcoins like Cardano (ADA) and Polkadot (DOT), as they are viewed as overvalued "ghost towns" unlikely to recover to previous highs. For long-term growth, Solana (SOL) is presented as a top conviction holding, viewed as an "Amazon bet" that is relatively undervalued. Chainlink (LINK) is another strong long-term investment due to its critical infrastructure role and new token buyback program, which directly benefits holders. Focus on the "revenue meta" by investing in projects with clear value accrual to their tokens, rather than useless governance tokens. Even with strong conviction, be prepared to take profits on assets like SOL if they reach high price targets, such as $500-$700, to manage risk.

Why AI Agents Still Fail at Simple Tasks with Teng Yan

Consider an investment in BitTensor (TAO) as a high-risk, high-reward bet on an incubator for dozens of AI startups building on its network. For a more established "picks and shovels" strategy, invest in the Data Center supply chain, led by chipmaker NVIDIA (NVDA), to capitalize on the AI infrastructure build-out. Be aware that the data center thesis is at risk if the "scaling laws" of AI development hit a plateau, diminishing the returns on new hardware. Looking ahead, investors should monitor for a potential SpaceX IPO in 2026, which is speculated to debut at a valuation near $1.5 trillion. Finally, investors bullish on the intersection of blockchain and privacy can research the NEAR Protocol (NEAR) ecosystem and its private AI tools.

How DTCC's SEC Approval Changes Everything For Onchain Finance with Sam Kazemian and Rob Montgomery

Institutional adoption via the DTCC is set to bring massive liquidity into crypto, making foundational assets Bitcoin (BTC) and Ethereum (ETH) core long-term holdings. Consider Frax (FXS) as a strategic investment, as it is building critical infrastructure for both tokenized real-world assets (RWAs) and the emerging on-chain foreign exchange market. A high-risk opportunity lies in protocols that liquidate tokenized assets, which aim to capture an average spread of 40% during forced sales. The non-USD stablecoin market is a "winner-take-most" opportunity to watch, with 2026 predicted to be a breakout year for this theme. Finally, monitor the "Stablecoin Chains" race, as the Stripe-backed project Tempo is positioned to potentially dominate the future of on-chain payments.

How Kraken Is Building the Anti-Bank with Mark Greenberg

The tokenization of Real World Assets (RWAs) is a major investment theme, with the growth of tokenized stocks on platforms like Xstocks indicating a shift from theory to practice. Investors should consider that the underlying blockchains powering this trend, specifically Ethereum (ETH) and Solana (SOL), are positioned to benefit from increased network activity and fees. As a compelling alternative to traditional savings accounts, individuals can use emerging financial apps to earn 4-6% yield on USD-backed stablecoins. Monitor news for a potential IPO of the cryptocurrency exchange Kraken, which would offer direct exposure to a company aggressively expanding into this space. This trend presents a long-term challenge to traditional banks that are slow to compete with these high-yield, blockchain-based financial products.

The Four-Year Cycle Is Dead with Michael Anderson and Vance Spencer

Ethereum (ETH) presents a strong investment case, with institutional whales accumulating over $3 billion in ETH recently while retail investors have been selling. A major upcoming catalyst is the anticipated BlackRock staking ETF, which could drive billions in new capital by offering a yield on the asset. For altcoins, the strategy is to abandon the idea of a broad "alt season" and instead focus on a few projects with strong fundamentals and growing revenue. The passing of the Clarity Act is expected to be a major event that separates projects with real business models, like Uniswap and Sky, from the rest. For Bitcoin (BTC), the key price level to watch for a major breakout is $104k, as institutional buying continues to provide strong underlying support.

What Happens When Your AI Actually Belongs To You? With Illia Polosukhin

The convergence of AI and blockchain presents a major investment opportunity focused on user-owned data and privacy. NEAR Protocol (NEAR) is a high-conviction project building the core infrastructure for this decentralized AI ecosystem. Key bullish catalysts for NEAR include a recent token inflation cut and a treasury company planning to acquire up to 10% of the total supply. For a "picks and shovels" approach to this theme, consider the essential hardware providers NVIDIA (NVDA) and Intel (INTC). Monitor the adoption of NEAR AI by partners like Brave browser as a key signal for market traction.

Tokenization's Inflection Point with Keyrock's Juan David

Focus on DeFi protocols with real revenue, as they are beginning to outperform the broader crypto market based on strong fundamentals. For a specific example, consider protocols like Hyperliquid, whose token recently demonstrated significant strength during a market downturn. Also investigate established money market protocols like Aave, Maple, and Morpho, which are cited as healthy businesses with predictable cash flow. For broader, long-term exposure to the tokenization of real-world assets theme, consider foundational investments. You can gain this exposure by investing in the primary blockchain for tokenization, Ethereum (ETH), or through the publicly traded stock of Coinbase (COIN).

Ethereum's New Stablecoin Chain with Hoanan Li

The analysis reinforces the long-term bullish case for Ethereum (ETH), as new projects continue to build on it, validating its network effect and neutrality. The growing adoption of Celestia (TIA) as a data availability layer for new applications strengthens its investment thesis as critical modular infrastructure. Conversely, investors in Tron (TRX) should be aware of increasing long-term competition from the Ethereum ecosystem, which aims to capture its stablecoin market share. Keep an eye on the upcoming Codex layer-2 project, as early community engagement could lead to a future airdrop or token allocation. The disruption of the Foreign Exchange (FX) market via on-chain stablecoins is a major emerging investment theme to monitor for new opportunities.

How Dogecoin Became What Bitcoin Was Supposed to Be with TJ Miller & Jordan Jefferson

Consider Dogecoin (DOGE) as a high-conviction investment based on its unmatched cultural brand and potential to evolve beyond a simple meme coin. The primary catalyst to monitor is the development of DogeOS, an initiative aiming to build a full application and DeFi ecosystem directly on its blockchain. A successful DogeOS would add significant utility to DOGE, positioning it to compete with Solana (SOL) as the premier chain for retail-driven activity. This growth potential presents a higher-reward opportunity compared to the more rigid and institutionally-focused Bitcoin (BTC). As its own foundational blockchain, DOGE holds more long-term potential than derivative meme tokens like SHIB or WIF that exist on other chains.

SEC Commissioner Hester Peirce: How America's Crypto Regulation Is Being Rebuilt From Scratch

The recent launch of a popular Ripple (XRP) ETF provides a new, accessible way for investors to gain exposure to XRP through traditional brokerage accounts. Coinbase (COIN) is making a significant bet on the return of a regulated ICO market with its $400 million acquisition of the Echo launchpad platform. This trend is supported by a major positive shift in US crypto regulation, which is expected to classify most digital assets as commodities and reduce overall market risk. Strong regulatory support for financial privacy also presents a long-term bullish case for privacy-focused projects like Zcash (ZEC). Investors in public crypto companies should monitor the emerging trend of issuing separate tokens, such as a potential BASE token from Coinbase, to understand its impact on stock value.

Dankrad Feist: Why Ethereum Needs a Wartime Mentality (And Why He Left the EF)

The upcoming Fusaka upgrade for Ethereum is a major catalyst expected to significantly lower costs and increase transaction speeds for the entire Layer 2 ecosystem. Consider investing in leading Layer 2 tokens, as they are positioned to directly benefit from these network improvements. Ethereum itself is targeting a 10x improvement to its main network over the next two years, with a goal of a 6-second block time as early as next year. For a potentially under-the-radar opportunity, respected Ethereum researcher Dankrad Feist identified Skip Protocol as his "biggest sleeper project." This strong endorsement suggests that investors should conduct further research into Skip Protocol for a potential high-growth investment.

Stani Kulechov: Why Aave Will Have Trillions in TVL by 2030

Consider an investment in Aave (AAVE), which is projected to earn $150 million in revenue this year and has a major Aave V4 upgrade forthcoming. As the foundational blockchain for institutional activity, Ethereum (ETH) serves as a core "pick-and-shovel" investment for the growth of the entire ecosystem. The tokenization of Real World Assets (RWAs) is an aggressively growing theme, with protocols like Aave enabling these assets to be used as 24/7 collateral. Chainlink (LINK) is the critical infrastructure partner whose oracle services are essential for verifying these RWAs and securing protocols like Aave. With Aave's founder targeting trillions in value by 2030, this ecosystem presents a compelling long-term investment opportunity.

Why NEAR Believes Privacy Is the Next Unlock with Lane Rettig

NEAR Protocol (NEAR) presents a compelling investment opportunity due to its strategic pivot into AI and significantly improved token economics. The protocol recently cut token issuance by 50% and is actively planning to activate a "fee switch" to generate sustainable revenue from its products. Its privacy technology is already a success, generating millions in fees and powering the revival of the Privacy sector and projects like Zcash (ZEC). Investors should monitor developments in NEAR's AI initiative, which aims to build verifiable and private AI models for the next major growth cycle. The combination of real revenue, reduced inflation, and a well-funded push into AI makes NEAR a high-conviction asset to watch.

The New Global Stablecoin Thesis - Luca Prosperi

A "stablecoin super cycle" represents a significant investment theme, with the fastest growth expected in enterprise stablecoins used within payment applications. The most strategic way to gain exposure is through the "picks and shovels" infrastructure providers, such as MZero, that build the underlying technology for others to issue stablecoins. The entry of major fintech companies like Stripe and MoonPay into this space provides strong validation and signals a new wave of adoption. This trend is fundamentally supported by demand from users in high-inflation countries like Argentina who use stablecoins to protect their savings. If governments restrict stablecoin access, expect capital to pivot towards censorship-resistant assets like Bitcoin (BTC) and Ethereum (ETH).

Revolut's Big Bet: The Institutional Sales Playbook with Jamal Raees Polygon CPO

Polygon (MATIC/POL) is emerging as a leader in blockchain payments, validated by major partnerships with Revolut and Mastercard. Further significant partnership announcements are anticipated in Q1 of next year, which could act as a primary catalyst. The broader institutional payments theme is heating up, with a new consortium highlighting key projects to watch including Sui (SUI), Stellar (XLM), and Solana (SOL). For a more traditional equity play, Mastercard (MA) is making methodical, long-term moves into blockchain infrastructure that could prove highly strategic. Investors should also watch Visa (V) for a potential partnership with Polygon early next year.

Kain Warwick: Airdrops vs. ICOs, Infinex Token Launch, And Building Crypto's Super App

The primary investment opportunity is to participate in the upcoming Infinex "Crate Run" campaign to earn vouchers for the INX token sale. To secure the best potential entry price, participate within the first week of the campaign, as the most valuable vouchers will be distributed early. A public sale for INX will also occur on the Sonar platform in December, ahead of a late December 2023 or early January 2024 token launch. For guaranteed exposure, consider purchasing an Infinex Patron NFT on a secondary market, which converts to 100,000 INX tokens. If you have traded on platforms like Hyperliquid or GMX, connect your wallet to Infinex during the campaign to claim potential retroactive rewards.

How NEAR Protocol Plans To Capture The Entire Agent Economy

NEAR Protocol (NEAR) presents a compelling investment case centered on its cross-chain trading platform, NEAR Intents, with a token buyback mechanism fueled by platform revenue being a key upcoming catalyst. This new model is designed to directly link the product's success and cash flows to the value of the NEAR token. As a primary beneficiary of this technology, Zcash (ZEC) has gained significant utility and liquidity, positioning it as a core asset for the growing on-chain privacy narrative. The integration allows users to easily shield assets, a feature attracting further adoption from upcoming DeFi applications. Ultimately, NEAR is building foundational infrastructure for major long-term themes like Chain Abstraction and the AI-driven "Agentic Economy," making it a strategic holding.