Everyone Gave Up On Bitcoin At Exactly The Wrong Time | Jordi Visser
Everyone Gave Up On Bitcoin At Exactly The Wrong Time | Jordi Visser
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Quick Insights

Investors should wait for Bitcoin (BTC) to break back above its 200-day moving average (currently near $70,000) before entering new long positions, as the asset is currently in a sentiment-driven "capitulation" phase. While NVIDIA (NVDA) and Micron (MU) face a mid-cycle slowdown, the $90 trillion hardware infrastructure opportunity remains intact; look to buy MU on pullbacks to its 50-day moving average for a potential Q4 recovery. Shift focus toward the "application layer" by targeting companies like Eli Lilly (LLY) and Travelers (TRV), which are using AI agents to drive productivity and improve profit margins. As tech volatility remains extreme, diversify into Banks and Healthcare to benefit from a "broadening out" of the market beyond high-growth software. Maintain a hedge in "outside the system" assets like Gold, Silver, and Bitcoin to protect against potential AI-driven cybersecurity shocks or shifts in Fed policy.

Detailed Analysis

Bitcoin (BTC)

• Bitcoin has faced significant headwinds recently, including being lumped in with "software code" trades and losing its status as the primary "beta" play for tech as investors moved directly into AI and memory stocks. • The asset is currently experiencing a "capitulation" phase where retail interest is low and 60-70% of existing holders are questioning their involvement. • Jordi Visser notes that Bitcoin has recently made new lows (relative to February) but is showing technical "divergences" that suggest a bottom may be forming. • A key technical level to watch is the 200-day moving average, which is currently north of $70,000. Visser suggests not "playing on the other side" (going long) until it breaks back above this level.

Takeaways

Bullish Catalyst: If the "easy money" in AI slows down and volatility in tech stocks remains at extreme levels (80+ vol), institutional money may rotate back into Bitcoin due to its relatively lower volatility. • Macro Alignment: Weakness in the labor market and a potential shift toward a more "dovish" Fed (lower interest rates) would be highly positive for Bitcoin in the second half of the year. • Sentiment Indicator: The current "give up" phase and lack of interest from new investors are often contrarian signals that the market is nearing a cycle bottom.


Artificial Intelligence (Infrastructure & Chips)

• The market is entering an "AI mid-cycle slowdown." The "easy trade" where everything related to AI goes up is likely over. • Micron (MU) and NVIDIA (NVDA): While earnings remain robust, these stocks are seeing "multiple compression," meaning investors are less willing to pay high premiums despite good news. • Memory Bottleneck: Memory (HBM/DRAM) remains the most critical physical bottleneck for AI. Visser believes the shortage will last for years because "IQ requires memory" to retrieve and connect data points. • Compute Shortage: There is an "insatiable" demand for compute that cannot be solved quickly. Even with new energy solutions, the physical build-out of data centers is lagging behind demand.

Takeaways

Investment Strategy: Expect a "volatile consolidation" for the next three months. Stocks like Micron may pull back to their 50-day moving averages before making new all-time highs in Q4. • Hardware Focus: Do not "fade" the hardware. The physical infrastructure build-out is estimated to be a $90 trillion opportunity over the next decade. • Risk Factor: Government intervention (regulatory capture) and political headwinds are increasing, which may slow down the "frontier" model companies like OpenAI.


AI Application & Agentic Layer

• The focus is shifting from "infrastructure" (chips/servers) to the "application layer" and "AI agents." • Companies are moving from "buying everything to catch up" to demanding ROIC (Return on Invested Capital). They want to see how AI actually improves profit margins. • Sectors to Watch: Healthcare (Eli Lilly) and Insurance (Travelers) are highlighted as early adopters using AI agents to drive productivity and manage risk.

Takeaways

Productivity Boom: The real economic story is a "productivity boom" that will eventually lower core inflation as AI agents take over complex tasks in services and finance. • Enterprise Adoption: Look for companies that are successfully integrating "agentic systems" into their workflows to increase margins, rather than just the companies selling the chips.


Macroeconomic Themes & The Fed

Interest Rates: There is a debate regarding the Fed's next moves. Visser argues that the labor market is weaker than the data suggests and that "wage inflation" is overblown. • Kevin Warsh (Potential Fed Chair candidate): His recent comments suggest a desire for less "forward guidance" and a belief that AI-driven productivity could allow the Fed to be less hawkish even if inflation stays slightly elevated. • The "Outside the System" Trade: As governments get more involved in AI and fiat systems, there is a growing case for assets "outside the system" like Bitcoin, Gold, and Silver.

Takeaways

Broadening Market: Expect a "broadening out" of the stock market. While tech may consolidate, sectors like Banks, Insurance, and Healthcare are expected to perform well. • Volatility Warning: The "Tech Momentum Index" is at an 85 volatility level—higher than the dot-com bubble. This makes it difficult for institutions to maintain large positions, potentially leading to sudden 10-20% market shocks. • Cybersecurity Risk: Visser predicts a potential "market shock" within the next year caused by a major AI-driven hack of a global bank or infrastructure, which could cause a temporary 10% global market drop.

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Episode Description
Jordi Visser is a veteran macro investor with 30+ years of experience and the author of the VisserLabs Substack. In this conversation, we break down the AI mid-cycle slowdown, the Fed under Warsh and what rate cuts could mean for markets, the $90 trillion AI infrastructure buildout, memory and Micron's role in the AI bottleneck, and why Jordi believes bitcoin is positioned to be the best performing assets once the negatives of AI start to show up. ===================== Need liquidity without selling your crypto? Take out a Figure Crypto-Backed Loan, allowing you to borrow against your BTC, ETH, or SOL with 12-month terms, 8.91% interest rates, and no prepayment penalties. Or check out Democratized Prime (https://figuremarkets.co/pomp) and earn ~9% APY on real world assets, paid hourly. Unlock your crypto’s potential today at Figure! https://figuremarkets.co/pomp Figure Lending LLC dba Figure (NMLS 1717824). Loans subject to approval. Crypto collateral may be liquidated. Terms apply - see full disclosures at figure.com/disclosures/ ===================== Looking for a better place to trade? BloFin gives traders access to deep liquidity, advanced futures products for crypto AND TradFi assets, fast execution, and a clean, intuitive interface—all in one platform. To celebrate their partnership with us, they're giving away $100,000 in Deposit & Trade Rewards. Deposit, trade, and earn rewards based on your activity during the campaign. Check them out at ( https://partner.blofin.com/d/Pomp ). ===================== This episode is brought to you by mogul ( https://www.mogul.club/pomp ). Deloitte estimates that $4 trillion of real estate will move onto the blockchain over the next decade. Through tokenized residential real estate, mogul gives investors access to professionally managed properties with targeted yields, monthly rent payouts, and potential tax benefits — all without the headaches of being a landlord. Learn more and claim a special offer at https://www.mogul.club/pomp . See important disclosures at disclaimer.mogul.club. ===================== 0:00 - Intro 1:20 - Has bitcoin bottomed?  6:03 - Bitcoin vs the Mag 7: is the correlation breaking? 9:00 - Sam Altman, OpenAI & the government getting involved 11:11 - American open source vs Chinese AI models 14:28 - AI compute demand & the infrastructure buildout 20:37 - AI slowdown: how bad, how long? 22:44 - Where do markets go from here?  27:30 - AI agents in the workplace & security risk 34:50 - Memory, Micron & the AI bottleneck 39:53 - The next 10-20 years: robots, AI & society 44:18 - The Fed, rate cuts & inflation's impact on AI 49:55 - Why bitcoin wins in the end
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