Calm Down Markets, Trevor Milton Has A Plane to Sell You, Jay Leno Live in The Ultradome | Alex Niehaus, Alex Blania, Nate Rempe, Connor Sweeney, Jay Leno
Calm Down Markets, Trevor Milton Has A Plane to Sell You, Jay Leno Live in The Ultradome | Alex Niehaus, Alex Blania, Nate Rempe, Connor Sweeney, Jay Leno
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Quick Insights
  • The strongest actionable theme is a multi-year cattle-supply squeeze: limited U.S. herd size may support beef prices, but weigh that against lower processing volumes and margin pressure before investing in Tyson Foods (TSN) or other meat packers.
  • Treat the One Beverly Hills founder bonds cautiously: their 5% return is below the cited 10-year Treasury yield of over 5.3%, and the bonds are junior to $4.3 billion in senior and mezzanine debt ahead of a 2029 completion.
  • For a potential Anthropic IPO, wait for final prospectus details and scrutinize customer concentration and escalating computing commitments; the reported $2 trillion valuation is unconfirmed, and the draft filing may change.
Detailed Analysis

Anthropic (Private; Potential IPO)

  • A draft prospectus reportedly showed $16.3 billion in revenue for the first half of 2026, with about 20% coming from two customers.
  • The company reported an $80 billion net loss for that period, but $72 billion was attributed to accounting changes tied to financing instruments—not ordinary cash operating expenses.
  • Computing costs are rising rapidly: spending on computing capacity in the first half of 2026 exceeded the $7.3 billion spent during all of 2025. The company may spend as much as $750 billion on computing capacity in the coming years.
  • The discussion noted risks around customer concentration, access to computing capacity, and potential harm caused by AI models. The reported filing was a draft, so its details may change.

Takeaways

  • Anthropic’s reported growth is substantial, but investors should distinguish accounting losses from cash costs and scrutinize the scale of future computing commitments.
  • Customer concentration and access to computing power are important areas to evaluate if the company proceeds with an IPO. The transcript mentioned a possible $2 trillion valuation, not a confirmed valuation or target.

United Airlines (UAL)

  • United’s stock has risen more than 300% during CEO Scott Kirby’s tenure, according to the discussion.
  • Kirby said airline fares may need to rise further because operating aircraft is expensive. United is also investing in Wi-Fi, entertainment, and its app to improve the customer experience.

Takeaways

  • The discussion points to a potentially favorable combination of past stock performance and the ability to raise fares, but it does not establish that the stock will continue rising.
  • Consider whether higher fares and customer-experience improvements can offset the industry’s operating costs and service challenges; no specific stock recommendation was given.

Nikola (NKLA)

  • Nikola briefly reached a valuation of nearly $30 billion after going public through a SPAC, before short seller Hindenburg Research accused the company of fraud in 2020.
  • Trevor Milton resigned as executive chairman after the report. He was later convicted of fraud and pardoned, according to the hosts.
  • The conversation used Nikola as context for skepticism about Milton’s new aerospace venture.

Takeaways

  • The discussion was strongly skeptical of Milton’s business record. Investors considering NKLA should research the company’s current condition and financial disclosures rather than rely on its earlier valuation or founder-led claims.
  • The transcript did not provide a current price target or a recommendation to buy or sell NKLA.

CyberJet / SJ30 (Private Aviation)

  • Trevor Milton is promoting a private-jet business built around an aircraft program with a long history. The jet received FAA certification in 2005, but production did not scale; about 10 aircraft were built across the program.
  • The original development reportedly consumed more than $700 million, and production ceased after the earlier owners struggled to restart it.
  • The hosts saw potential value in reviving an already certified design, but questioned whether buyers would trust a company led by Milton. They were also skeptical of the plan to develop in-house avionics and autonomous features.

Takeaways

  • The opportunity discussed is a high-risk private-company venture, not a publicly traded stock. Existing certification and demand for private aviation were cited as positives; the history of limited production and buyer confidence were central concerns.
  • The transcript gave no investment terms, valuation, or price target.

Helicon / Pelican (Private Manufacturing Startup)

  • The guest described a startup focused on industrial-scale manufacturing of complex composite structures, including carbon-fiber parts for commercial and defense applications.
  • The company said it raised $16.5 million and aims to grow from prototype-scale production to manufacturing millions of structures annually.
  • Its pitch is that faster design and manufacturing could make composite parts practical for drones, vehicles, and other systems where traditional materials are used.

Takeaways

  • The investment theme is advanced manufacturing, especially composites for defense and other hardware applications. The company’s stated opportunity depends on turning prototype production into repeatable, large-scale manufacturing.
  • This was a private fundraising announcement, with no public ticker, valuation, or expected investment return provided. The transcript also used more than one name for the company.

Baba (Private Health Technology)

  • Baba raised $40 million for a platform that connects older adults and their families with nurses and social workers who help coordinate care and benefits.
  • The company said it had helped 10,000 patients and had 100,000 people on a waitlist. Its service is covered by insurance, and the guest said the waitlist partly reflects the time needed to persuade more health plans to cover the service.
  • The company uses AI to support its human advocates, but said AI systems still make mistakes on complex care-coordination tasks.

Takeaways

  • The discussion suggests a potential opportunity in healthcare services that combine human support with AI, particularly where insurance coverage can support adoption.
  • Investors would need to assess whether Baba can expand plan coverage and serve more patients without losing the human support that the company considers important. No valuation or investment terms were provided.

One Beverly Hills Founder Bonds (Private Real Estate Financing)

  • Buyers of condos in the $10 billion One Beverly Hills project can also lend money to the developer through “founder bonds.” Participation is optional, and the bonds offer a 5% return.
  • The bonds are junior to a $2.8 billion senior loan and a $1.5 billion mezzanine loan. The project is expected to be completed in 2029.
  • The discussion noted that the 10-year Treasury yield had recently exceeded 5.3%, making the founder-bond return lower than that benchmark at the time.
  • If the project falls short of completion, bondholders could face losses as well as delays or failure to receive the expected home.

Takeaways

  • The bonds offer a stated return, but their junior position and dependence on project completion are key considerations. Compare the return with available alternatives and examine the bond terms and repayment protections.
  • The transcript did not describe the bonds as risk-free or provide a specific recommendation to participate.

Beef and Protein Industry (Tyson Foods, TSN; JBS; Cargill)

  • Omaha Steaks’ CEO described the U.S. cattle supply as being at its lowest level in 76 years, while demand has remained elevated. Because cattle production takes time, he said supply cannot respond quickly.
  • Major meat packers, including Tyson, JBS, and Cargill, were described as closing plants as the smaller herd reduces the amount of supply moving through the industry and stresses packing efficiency and margins.
  • Omaha Steaks said it is responding to higher beef prices by emphasizing product quality, including a new tenderness-testing program. Omaha Steaks is privately held.

Takeaways

  • Tight cattle supply may support higher beef prices, but the discussion also highlighted pressure on meat packers as lower supply affects plant utilization and margins.
  • For publicly traded processors, consider both the potential benefit of pricing and the risk of lower processing volumes. The guest described the industry as cyclical and said rebuilding cattle supply takes time.

Graded Trading Cards and Collectibles

  • A FedEx truck outside PSA’s California grading center was robbed of about 250 packages of graded trading cards. The estimated value of the first two pallets was $963,000; the value of the third was still being assessed.
  • PSA deactivated the certification numbers of stolen cards, making them easier to identify if offered for sale. Some collectors’ compensation may be limited by the insurance level they selected when sending the cards.
  • One One Piece card was discussed as being valued at $500,000, though the hosts treated collectible-card valuations skeptically. They compared collectibles with speculative “lottery ticket” investments.

Takeaways

  • The discussion illustrates that collectible values can be subjective and that theft, resale restrictions, and insurance limits can complicate ownership.
  • Anyone considering collectibles as an investment should verify valuations and understand the protection and insurance terms. The transcript did not recommend buying trading cards.

Automotive Stocks and Electric Vehicles (Mercedes-Benz, Tesla, Porsche, GM, Ford)

  • The hosts were bearish on Mercedes-Benz’s announced 1,153-horsepower electric AMG SUV, predicting it could struggle because of competition, depreciation, and questions about whether the product fits what SUV buyers want.
  • They also called BMW’s XM a flop, while noting that the Mercedes SUV’s prospects would depend partly on its eventual price.
  • Porsche’s electric sports-car plans were discussed. Jay Leno argued that many Porsche buyers value the sound and feel of conventional engines, though he said Porsches are generally enjoyable to drive.
  • Tesla (TSLA) was discussed as facing competition from lower-priced cars and political headwinds. Jay Leno suggested the company may increasingly focus on autonomous driving and space-related technology.
  • Jay Leno praised GM’s Corvette ZR1X as a strong performance value and said some American performance models were selling without advertising. Ford’s Mustang performance vehicles were also discussed positively, but no direct stock analysis was offered.

Takeaways

  • The discussion highlighted a split in the auto market: skepticism about expensive electric vehicles that may not match buyer preferences, alongside enthusiasm for high-performance vehicles with strong demand.
  • These product opinions are not a substitute for company-level financial analysis. The transcript gave no stock price targets or buy/sell recommendations for these automakers.

U.S. Housing Market

  • Pending U.S. home sales in September were described as reaching an all-time low in the data series discussed. Higher mortgage rates were cited as a major factor in reduced buying activity.
  • Many homeowners with pandemic-era mortgage rates are reluctant to sell, while buyers face higher borrowing costs. The hosts emphasized that conditions vary substantially by location.
  • The discussion suggested that building more housing upward could increase supply, but also noted uncertainty about demand for high-rise living in Los Angeles.

Takeaways

  • The conversation points to a constrained housing market, not a uniform opportunity: elevated borrowing costs and low transaction volumes may weigh on activity, while local supply and demand can differ significantly.
  • For real estate investments, examine the specific market, financing costs, and buyer demand rather than relying on broad national or citywide assumptions.
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Episode Description
(00:42) - Nearly $1M in Trading Cards Stolen (09:42) - Trevor Milton Returns to Aviation (24:59) - The Death of Common Courtesy (41:49) - Mercedes Unveils AMG GT SUV (48:58) - Alex Niehaus, co-founder of Helicon, discusses the company’s emergence from stealth with $16.5 million in funding and its mission to industrialize composite manufacturing. He explains how Helicon combines advanced software, robotics, and manufacturing to mass-produce lightweight, high-strength structures for defense, drones, vehicles, and other applications. (59:50) - Alex Blania discusses Tools for Humanity’s efforts to build proof-of-human systems that combat deepfakes, fraud, and AI impersonation. He highlights World for Zoom, a Cloudflare agent protocol that verifies agents are acting on behalf of real people, and lighter-weight phone verification alongside the company’s Orb technology. (01:08:06) - Nate Rempe discusses leading Omaha Steaks through its crucial holiday season, modernizing its marketing with social media and AI, and protecting its reputation through customer education. He also addresses record-low cattle supplies, younger consumers’ demand for authentic, high-protein products, and the company’s renewed focus on improving its core steak offerings. (01:26:43) - Connor Sweeney discusses Baba, the healthcare platform he founded and leads, which connects older adults and their families with nurses and social workers who coordinate care using AI-assisted tools. He announces a $40 million Series A and outlines Baba’s rapid growth, insurance partnerships, public AI benchmark, and plans to serve a 100,000-person waitlist. (01:36:15) - Beverly Hills Condo Buyers Become Lenders (01:45:09) - Anthropic's S1 (01:50:12) - Jay Leno, a veteran comedian, former Tonight Show host, and passionate car collector, discusses automobiles, comedy, show business, technology, and his enduring work ethic. He shares humorous stories while emphasizing humility, honest feedback, political balance, and the importance of continually practicing one’s craft. TBPN is made possible by: Ramp - https://ramp.com Public - https://public.com Cisco - https://www.cisco.com Console - https://www.console.com CrowdStrike - https://www.crowdstrike.com Figma - https://www.figma.com MongoDB - https://www.mongodb.com NYSE - https://www.nyse.com Railway - https://railway.com Shopify - https://www.shopify.com Codex - http://openAI.com/codex Follow TBPN:  https://TBPN.com https://x.com/tbpn https://open.spotify.com/show/2L6WMqY3GUPCGBD0dX6p00?si=674252d53acf4231 https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/tbpn/id1772360235 https://www.youtube.com/@TBPNLive
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