AI Boom Reality Check, Jobs Boom, Cybertruck Scrapped | Praveer Melwani, Keller Cliffton, Rahul Sonwalkar, Max Siegelman, D.A. Wallach
AI Boom Reality Check, Jobs Boom, Cybertruck Scrapped | Praveer Melwani, Keller Cliffton, Rahul Sonwalkar, Max Siegelman, D.A. Wallach
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Quick Insights
  • Stay selective in AI: the selloff may create opportunities, but favor companies with durable businesses and watch data-center policy, financing needs, and semiconductor demand rather than buying the sector broadly.
  • Figma (FIG) is a high-conviction growth story to monitor, with revenue up 43% year over year, 131% net dollar retention, and a higher operating-profit outlook; track whether AI usage converts into profitable paid growth.
  • Avoid chasing AppLovin (APP) after its roughly 67% five-day surge and further 10% post-earnings gain; the insights provide no valuation or price target to justify assuming the rally will continue.
  • Treat Anthropic IPO rumors as speculative: reported valuation estimates of $1.2 trillion–$1.5 trillion are far above the cited $500 billion–$800 billion fair-value estimate, so reassess only when terms are confirmed.
Detailed Analysis

AI and Technology Stocks

  • U.S. tech stocks suffered a reported $2.5 trillion loss in one session, with the market down about 5%, before the Nasdaq rebounded 1.38% the following day.
  • Selling was concentrated in semiconductors, neocloud companies, and some politically exposed AI-related businesses. The hosts said some hyperscalers appeared more resilient because they already have substantial data-center capacity and other businesses.
  • Views on whether the decline is a buying opportunity were mixed:
    • Tay Kim’s view was to “buy the dip.”
    • A commentator suggested stocks could be a buying opportunity if they bounce back, but not if they continue falling.
    • The hosts described the market as shifting toward stock picking, rather than a period when buying almost any tech stock had worked.
  • The transcript compared the AI market’s chart with the dot-com era, noting that the dot-com index later rose dramatically after an earlier downturn. The hosts presented this as historical perspective, not proof that AI stocks will follow the same path.
  • Texas’s incoming governor said data centers should operate under rules that protect local communities. The discussion suggested this could mean new negotiations or requirements, rather than an outright rejection of data centers.

Takeaways

  • The discussion is cautiously constructive but highly selective: a broad selloff may create opportunities, but the hosts emphasized that investors need to distinguish stronger businesses from weaker or more exposed names.
  • Treat the dot-com comparison as a reminder that a crash does not necessarily end a major technology trend—not as a forecast of similar returns.
  • Data-center policy, financing needs, and exposure to semiconductor demand were raised as factors that may affect AI-related companies differently.

AppLovin (APP)

  • The hosts said the company rose about 67% over five days and gained another 10% after earnings.
  • They noted its market capitalization had reached roughly $131 billion, highlighting how sharply a large company’s share price can move.

Takeaways

  • The discussion was strongly positive about the company’s recent momentum, but it did not provide a valuation analysis or a longer-term outlook.
  • Large short-term gains can also mean expectations have risen quickly; the transcript offers no basis for assuming the rally will continue.

Anthropic (Private Company; Potential IPO)

  • The discussion cited shifting reports about a possible IPO valuation: an initial figure of $2 trillion had receded toward estimates around $1.2 trillion to $1.5 trillion.
  • A prediction market put the odds of an IPO by November 24 at about 49%, down from roughly 70%–75%.
  • The hosts said the company had a strong balance sheet and had reported $80 billion in ARR, while also describing Q3 as weak. The transcript does not clarify how the ARR figure relates to the quarter’s results.
  • Claude’s estimate of a fair public market capitalization was described as $500 billion to $800 billion, roughly half the rumored IPO range. The hosts characterized that estimate as cautious rather than definitive.
  • The discussion noted that volatile markets could affect IPO timing and pricing, even if some investors’ views of the company had not changed.

Takeaways

  • Treat the valuation figures and IPO timing as uncertain reports, not established terms.
  • The central investment question raised was whether investors would be willing to pay a very high valuation amid market volatility and mixed recent performance.
  • For any eventual offering, compare the valuation with the company’s reported growth, financial position, and market conditions rather than relying on private-market rumors.

Figma (FIG)

  • Figma’s CFO reported quarterly revenue of $391 million, up 43% year over year, and a net dollar retention rate of 131%.
  • The company said weekly active users of its MCP server had reached about 1 million. MCP usage grew 3x, while write-backs to the Figma canvas grew about 4x.
  • Credit consumption through Figma’s agent product was up 2.5x from its October 6 general release through the end of October.
  • The CFO said MCP usage was associated with higher retention and account expansion. Figma also increased the credits included in some plans, which the CFO said helped drive consumption.
  • The company raised its full-year operating profit guide by $30 million, citing efficiency improvements, including lower costs for some AI tasks.

Takeaways

  • The discussion presented Figma as a company with strong growth and expanding AI-related usage, while emphasizing that adoption needs to translate into durable paid use and efficient operating costs.
  • Investors can monitor revenue growth, retention, credit consumption, and the cost of serving AI features to assess whether product engagement is becoming profitable growth.

Monster Beverage (MNST) and Meta Platforms (META)

  • James Chanos questioned the appeal of selling high-beta tech stocks that were already down 40% to 70% in order to buy low- or no-growth consumer companies at 30 to 100 times earnings.
  • The hosts used Monster Beverage as an example, citing a 42x P/E and a market value of about $90 billion. They noted that this was higher than Meta’s valuation by that comparison.

Takeaways

  • The discussion was cautious about valuation, particularly when a company with limited growth is priced at a high earnings multiple.
  • The comparison is a prompt to examine both valuation and growth prospects; it is not a recommendation to buy Meta or sell Monster.

Apple (AAPL)

  • The hosts said Apple appeared less affected by the midterm-related market selloff than some AI infrastructure and semiconductor stocks.
  • They credited Apple’s handling of political relationships and its broader business profile as reasons it may have been viewed differently by the market.

Takeaways

  • Apple was discussed as relatively resilient in this particular selloff, not as a specific buy recommendation.
  • The transcript offered no valuation, earnings forecast, or price target for the stock.

Tesla (TSLA) and the Cybertruck

  • Tesla is reportedly winding down Cybertruck production next year after selling about 73,000 since deliveries began in late 2023. The hosts also cited roughly 20,000 sales in the past year.
  • The original production target discussed was 250,000 vehicles annually, while the original entry-level price was $39,900. When sales began, prices were around $61,000.
  • The hosts described the Cybertruck as visually distinctive but criticized its build quality, safety concerns, and high price. They said Tesla had effectively “dug our own grave” with the vehicle.
  • The discussion characterized the production change as part of Tesla’s broader shift away from traditional car sales toward autonomous vehicles and robotics.

Takeaways

  • The Cybertruck discussion was negative on the product’s commercial execution, while leaving open whether Tesla’s focus on autonomy and robotics could become more important to the company.
  • Investors following Tesla can watch whether its newer strategic focus produces meaningful business results; the transcript gave no forecasts or valuation for those areas.

BYD / Yangwang U9

  • The hosts discussed BYD’s Yangwang U9 Extreme, which was reported to have reached 503 kilometers per hour, or just over 300 miles per hour, on a closed road.
  • They cited a price of about 20 million yuan, or $2.9 million, and said roughly 30 had been produced.

Takeaways

  • The segment was bullish on the car’s performance as a demonstration of electric-vehicle capability, but it did not discuss BYD’s stock, sales prospects, or the model’s profitability.
  • The high price and limited production make this a technology and branding story, not evidence in the transcript of a mass-market investment opportunity.

Zipline (Private Company)

  • Zipline announced $1.5 billion in financing at a $21.5 billion valuation.
  • It also announced a nationwide expansion with Walmart, starting with 300 supercenters. The CEO called it the largest autonomous-vehicle contract in history.
  • The company said it delivers about 90,000 of a supercenter’s 100,000 SKUs and described demand from college students, nursing-home residents, and parents.
  • Zipline said it operates 35 U.S. sites, aims to build 20 sites per metro, and is targeting one million deliveries per metro per year. It also said it needs to build 50,000 aircraft a year.
  • The CEO argued that drone delivery can be faster and less expensive than car-based delivery, and said there is substantial unmet demand for rapid delivery.
  • The discussion also highlighted execution challenges: the technology is difficult, and hardware, weather, safety, and regulation all take time to address.

Takeaways

  • Zipline was presented as a promising private-company opportunity tied to automated logistics, with Walmart’s rollout providing an important commercial test.
  • Its valuation is substantial, and the company’s growth plans depend on scaling manufacturing and operations. The transcript does not provide unit economics or a path to profitability, so those remain key questions.

Eli Lilly (LLY), Amgen (AMGN), and Biotech

  • D.A. Wallach described GLP-1 medicines as a major shift toward preventive and consumer-focused medicine, naming Eli Lilly as a company seeking to build a broader product offering.
  • He said biotech’s main challenge is often not generating drug ideas but proving safety and effectiveness in people. Clinical development remains time-consuming and expensive.
  • He argued that AI could improve many parts of drug development and business operations, but said it is more likely to produce incremental gains—such as shortening development timelines—than to cure major diseases overnight.
  • Wallach said biotech is sensitive to interest rates, which can affect the sector’s financing environment.
  • He cited Amgen’s acquisition of Icelandic genetics company Decode as an example of biological data contributing to the development of a successful cholesterol medicine.
  • He also said Chinese companies have become important in early-stage drug discovery and preclinical work, often at lower cost, and that big pharmaceutical companies increasingly source drugs from China.

Takeaways

  • The discussion was bullish on the long-term potential of preventive medicine and AI-enabled efficiency, but cautious about claims of rapid breakthroughs.
  • For biotech investments, the transcript points to clinical validation, development timelines, interest rates, and competition from China as important considerations.
  • AI may help improve productivity, but the discussion did not suggest that it removes the need for human trials.

Long-Dated U.S. Treasuries

  • Wallach said he was buying long-dated Treasuries but that the trade was not yet moving in his favor.
  • He linked interest-rate sensitivity to biotech, saying higher rates can make financing more difficult for the sector.

Takeaways

  • Treasuries were discussed as a personal investment position, not as a recommendation.
  • The transcript’s main point was that interest rates can affect the outlook for rate-sensitive sectors such as biotech; it gave no specific Treasury yield target or expected timeline.

Thinking Machines Lab (Private Company)

  • Rahul Sunwalkar described Thinking Machines’ Inkling 2 Small as, in Julius AI’s benchmark, the best American open-source model and the second-best open-source model overall.
  • He said the model’s performance had improved substantially compared with the previous version.
  • The hosts discussed a reported financing of $5 billion at a $40 billion valuation, but this was presented as a leak, not a confirmed deal.

Takeaways

  • The discussion was positive about the model’s benchmark results and the potential for open-source AI in finance.
  • The reported valuation and financing remain unconfirmed in the transcript. Benchmark performance alone does not establish commercial success.

Venture Capital: SpaceX, Spotify, Ripple, and Facebook

  • Wallach described investing in Spotify after learning about the company through a connection at Facebook, and said he invested in SpaceX around 2013.
  • He also said he found Ripple early and described missing the opportunity to invest in Facebook as an early investing lesson.
  • These were accounts of past investment activity, not current recommendations or assessments of the companies’ valuations.

Takeaways

  • The story illustrated the value—and uncertainty—of early-stage investing: Wallach emphasized both successful investments and missed opportunities.
  • Ripple was mentioned as a company; the transcript did not discuss XRP specifically or provide a cryptocurrency outlook.

U.S. Jobs and Manufacturing

  • The hosts cited 165,000 jobs added in October, compared with economists’ forecast of 59,000, and an unemployment rate of 4.1%.
  • They highlighted 19,000 new manufacturing jobs and noted that labor-force participation increased, meaning more people were looking for work.
  • One host remained cautious about jobs data because of potential future revisions. The discussion also said markets were pricing in another rate hike.

Takeaways

  • The report was viewed as supportive of the U.S. economy, especially because job growth included manufacturing and was accompanied by increased labor-force participation.
  • Strong employment may support economic activity, but the possibility of future revisions and the market’s rate expectations could affect interest-rate-sensitive investments.

South Korea’s KOSPI

  • The hosts described a sharp rise and subsequent pullback in the KOSPI, citing a peak near 9,114 and a later level around 5,000.
  • They used the chart as an example of how quickly a market can rise and reverse.

Takeaways

  • The discussion was a warning about volatility, not a specific view on Korean equities.
  • Large market moves can create opportunities, but the transcript offered no valuation or earnings analysis to support a directional investment call.
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Episode Description
(01:33) - AI Boom Reality Check (16:00) - Jobs Boom (21:56) - Hedge Fund Selloff (24:12) - 𝕏 Timeline Reactions (26:50) - Cybertruck Scrapped (38:02) - WSJ Mansion Section (46:31) - Praveer Melwani is the CFO of Figma, the collaborative design and software development platform. He oversees the company’s financial strategy, operations, and long-term planning, helping scale Figma through its rapid growth and transition into a publicly traded company. He is also an advocate for using AI to transform corporate finance and automate business workflows. (56:36) - Keller Cliffton is the co-founder and CEO of Zipline, the autonomous drone delivery company transforming how medical supplies, food, and consumer goods are transported. Zipline began by delivering blood and vaccines to remote hospitals in Rwanda and has since expanded across four continents, partnering with companies like Walmart and Uber Eats. The company recently raised $1.5 billion at a $21.5 billion valuation. Before founding Zipline, Cliffton studied at Harvard and was a professional rock climber. (01:11:45) - Rahul Sonwalkar is the founder and CEO of Julius AI, an AI-powered data analysis platform that allows users to analyze spreadsheets, generate visualizations, and perform complex statistical modeling using natural language. A Y Combinator alumnus and former engineer at Uber and Facebook, he has grown Julius to more than 2 million users and raised $10 million in funding led by Bessemer Venture Partners. (01:20:00) - Max Siegelman is the founder of Siegelman Stable, a luxury sportswear and streetwear brand known for its vintage-inspired hats, apparel, and celebrity following. Launched in 2020 as a tribute to his family's horse racing business, the brand has gained popularity among figures like Kendall Jenner, Justin Bieber, and Aaron Judge, with collaborations spanning major sports teams and fashion. A portion of the brand's proceeds supports equine therapy programs. (01:40:05) - D.A. Wallach is the co-founder and general partner of Time BioVentures, a venture capital firm investing in biotechnology, healthcare, and breakthrough medical technologies. He was an early investor in companies including Spotify, SpaceX, and Neuralink, and previously fronted the indie rock band Chester French, which was discovered by Pharrell Williams. He has since become a prominent investor focused on transforming medicine through innovative biotech startups. TBPN is made possible by: Ramp - https://ramp.com Public - https://public.com Cisco - https://www.cisco.com Console - https://www.console.com CrowdStrike - https://www.crowdstrike.com Figma - https://www.figma.com MongoDB - https://www.mongodb.com NYSE - https://www.nyse.com Railway - https://railway.com Shopify - https://www.shopify.com Codex - http://openAI.com/codex Follow TBPN:  https://TBPN.com https://x.com/tbpn https://open.spotify.com/show/2L6WMqY3GUPCGBD0dX6p00?si=674252d53acf4231 https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/tbpn/id1772360235 https://www.youtube.com/@TBPNLive
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