Raoul Pal welcomes back Jordi Visser for a wide-ranging conversation on AI, Bitcoin, tokenization, bonds, productivity, and the future of markets. The guys explore why the panic around bond yields may be overdone, and how AI-driven productivity is already showing up in corporate profits. Then they break down how tokenization could disrupt asset management, why 24/7 markets may favor bots over humans, and why the next phase of crypto may be about far more than just price.
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Timestamps:
00:00 - AI Is Creating Infinite Demand
02:51 - Why the Bond Market Panic Is Overblown
05:05 - Bessent, the Dollar, and the Yield Curve
08:14 - AI Productivity Is Transforming the Economy
13:35 - AI Agents and the Explosion in Compute Demand
15:20 - Why Tokenization Could Transform Global Markets
17:06 - How AI Will Disrupt Asset Management
22:17 - Why Everything Is Going On-Chain
27:20 - AI, Humanoid Robots, and the Compute Bottleneck
32:29 - The Energy Bottleneck and AI Supercycle
35:30 - Bitcoin, Tokenization, and the Future of Crypto
38:22 - What Tokenization Means for the U.S. Dollar
43:14 - How AI Is Collapsing the Cost of Building Businesses
53:17 - Bitcoin, Ethereum, and the Tokenization Boom
56:48 - Raoul Pal’s Simple Crypto Portfolio Strategy
59:04 - Why Investors Make Investing Too Complicated
01:05:54 - Could Digital Assets Reach $100 Trillion?
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