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In this wide-ranging conversation, Raoul Pal sits down with Emad Mostaque, author of The Last Economy, to explore what he calls the “Economic Singularity”, a structural shift from scarcity-driven systems to abundance powered by machine intelligence. They unpack the deflationary shock AI could unleash, the implications for labor markets, capital formation, and digital assets, and why legacy economic models may struggle to adapt. Recorded on October 13, 2025
Timestamps:
00:00 – Introduction
00:25 – The Exponential Age & Emad’s New Work
03:19 – Intelligence Inversion & Economics Redefined
05:15 – Generative AI as the Foundation of the Economy
06:15 – Four Types of Capital
08:15 – AI as an Economic Actor & Cognitive Takeover
12:15 – Collapse in Cost of Intelligence & Economic Singularity
17:15 – AI vs. Human Labor & Automation
20:15 – Small, Efficient Models & Localized AI
24:25 – Humans, Organizations, and Economies as AIs
26:15 – AI Outperforms Humans in Medicine & “Good Enough” Models
28:15 – AI Cost, Productivity, and Data Efficiency
34:51 – AI, Labor, Identity & Human Value in an Abundant Economy
38:42 – AI Alignment, RL, and Organizational Impact
40:33 – AI in Financial Markets & Scientific Discovery
50:18 – AI Replacing Jobs & Rethinking Value
57:19 – Full-Stack AI Initiatives & Preparing for the Singularity
1:04:25 – Agents, Simulation Reality, & Compute as Consciousness
1:06:18 – Objective Functions, Human Purpose & Survival
1:11:23 – AI Bias, Rigidity, and Geopolitical Impact
1:15:34 – AI Companions, Neural Interfaces & Physical Manifestations
1:18:44 – Investing, Retail Adoption, & the Coming Super Bubble
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