Warner Bros. Discovery For Sale, OpenAI’s Browser, and Netflix Earnings
Warner Bros. Discovery For Sale, OpenAI’s Browser, and Netflix Earnings
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Warner Bros. Discovery (WBD) is a compelling acquisition target, with a potential deal price rumored to be around $26 per share. An acquirer would likely keep the valuable Warner studio and HBO assets while selling off legacy cable networks to be run for cash flow. In big tech, Alphabet (GOOGL) is presented as a top pick for 2025, with the market seen as overestimating the threat from AI competitors. The company is considered undervalued, offering investors dominant assets like Search, YouTube, and Waymo for the price of an average S&P 500 stock. With its own AI, Gemini, rapidly gaining users, GOOGL is viewed as a "steal" at its current valuation.

Detailed Analysis

Warner Bros. Discovery (WBD)

  • The company is officially exploring a sale after rejecting three takeover offers from Paramount's David Ellison. Other rumored suitors include Comcast, Amazon, Apple, and Netflix.
  • The current offer from the Ellisons is reportedly around $24 per share, with a deal potentially being done at $26 per share. CEO David Zaslav is arguing the company is worth $30 per share if split up.
  • The podcast hosts believe an acquisition by the Ellisons is the most likely outcome, suggesting that Zaslav is "pretending there's other bidders" to create an auction.
  • The core problem with WBD is its "mix match of assets." It has expensive, high-growth streaming assets mixed with declining but cash-flow-positive legacy cable assets. The market values the entire company based on the "shittiest part of the business."
  • The predicted strategy for an acquirer like the Ellisons would be to:
    • Keep the valuable studio (Warner) and streaming (HBO) assets.
    • Sell off the legacy cable networks and news division (CNN) to a private equity firm to be bled for cash flow.
    • Use Oracle's (ORCL) AI technology to drastically reduce content production costs at the studio, creating a new, more efficient model for Hollywood.

Takeaways

  • The primary value in WBD is seen in its studio and HBO content library, not its declining cable networks.
  • The potential acquisition by the Ellisons is driven by a vision to merge Hollywood content with Silicon Valley AI (Oracle) to revolutionize production and cut costs. This is a long-term bullish theme for the content assets.
  • Rational buyers like Comcast are seen as unlikely to pay a premium, with one host suggesting they would only pay around $11 per share. The deal hinges on an "irrational buyer" like an heir to a billionaire fortune (David Ellison).

Netflix (NFLX)

  • Netflix was mentioned as a rumored suitor for WBD, but the hosts believe this is highly unlikely. They feel Netflix has a strong internal culture of building its own content and technology ("We don't buy shit").
  • If Netflix were to make a large acquisition, Disney (DIS) would make more sense to solve Disney's succession issues and completely dominate the streaming market.
  • YouTube is now considered Netflix's primary competitor.
    • Netflix's entire library is about 36,000 hours of content.
    • YouTube users upload the equivalent of Netflix's entire library every 70 minutes.
  • Netflix is beginning to experiment with lower-cost, user-generated style content (like podcast deals) to compete with YouTube's volume.
  • Earnings Analysis:
    • The stock fell after a Q3 earnings miss, which the company blamed on a one-time tax expense in Brazil.
    • However, revenue grew a strong 17%, and ad sales were the "best ever."
    • The movie "K-pop Demon Hunters" was a massive success, becoming the most-watched movie in Netflix history and leading to merchandise deals with Mattel (MAT) and Hasbro (HAS).

Takeaways

  • Netflix is considered one of the best-run companies in the world, with a proven ability to create global hits.
  • Despite its strengths, one host suggested he "wouldn't buy Netflix here" at its current price, implying it may be fully valued. Future growth is expected to come from international markets.
  • The key strategic battle for Netflix is no longer just against other streamers, but against the massive volume and lower production cost of platforms like YouTube.

Alphabet (GOOGL)

  • The launch of OpenAI's new browser, Atlas, is a direct shot at Google's dominant Chrome browser (which has ~70% market share).
  • Despite the threat, one host is extremely bullish on Alphabet, calling it his "stock pick of 2025."
  • The sentiment is that the market "overestimates the threat" from competitors like OpenAI.
  • Bull Case for Alphabet:
    • The stock is considered "a steal" at 29 times earnings.
    • Google's own AI, Gemini, is performing very well, gaining significant market share with 400 million monthly users.
    • For the price of an average S&P 500 stock, an investor gets a portfolio of dominant assets:
      • Search (90%+ market share)
      • YouTube (the world's largest streaming service)
      • A leading AI division (Gemini, DeepMind)
      • Waymo (a leader in autonomous driving)
      • Google Chrome
      • Multiple other products with over 2 billion users each.

Takeaways

  • The discussion presents a strong bullish case for GOOGL, arguing it is undervalued relative to its dominant market positions and growth prospects in AI.
  • While competitors are emerging, Google's scale, user base, and own technological advancements (like Gemini) position it to defend its turf effectively.

Tesla (TSLA)

  • Q3 Earnings Analysis:
    • The company reported a mixed quarter. Revenue was up, but profitability fell short of expectations.
    • Profit margins were squeezed by price cuts and the expiration of valuable regulatory credits. Net income fell 36%.
    • Demand was likely pulled forward by customers rushing to buy before EV tax credits expired.
    • Spending on R&D and AI is increasing significantly, up 57% to $1.6 billion.
  • AI and Robotics Pivot:
    • Elon Musk's focus on the earnings call was on AI and the Optimus robot.
    • However, the Optimus project is facing delays, and the head of the division recently left for Meta.
    • Tesla's robotaxi service is still in early stages and lags far behind competitors like Waymo, still requiring safety monitors in the driver's seat.

Takeaways

  • Tesla's core auto business is facing significant margin pressure from price cuts and increased competition. The high-profit era of selling regulatory credits is fading.
  • The company's future valuation is heavily dependent on its pivot to AI and robotics, but these initiatives are still in their early, uncertain stages and are proving to be very expensive.
  • Investors should be aware that the narrative is shifting from a high-margin EV maker to a high-spending AI company, which carries a different risk profile.

Investment Theme: The AI Arms Race

  • AI in Media: A major theme is how AI will disrupt Hollywood. The potential acquisition of WBD by the Ellisons is seen as a play to use Oracle's AI to slash content production costs, potentially making movies and shows for a fraction of the current price. This could be a major headwind for unions and traditional creative roles but a tailwind for studios that adopt it successfully.
  • Geopolitical AI Risk: A key prediction from the show is that China may weaponize AI to attack the US economy.
    • The theory is that China could release a suite of powerful, free, open-source AI tools.
    • This would directly compete with the subscription and advertising models of America's "Magnificent 10" tech companies, putting immense pressure on their stock prices and potentially triggering a "Western recession."

Takeaways

  • Investors in media and tech should pay close attention to how companies are integrating AI. Those that can use it to cut costs and innovate will likely win, while those that don't will be left behind.
  • There is a significant, under-discussed macro risk that the AI competition between the US and China could move beyond corporate rivalry into direct economic warfare, with China using free AI as a tool to undermine US market leadership.
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Kara and Scott discuss Warner Bros. Discovery’s announcement that it’s exploring a sale — and predict which buyer will come out on top. Then, OpenAI's new web browser, and the latest earnings from Netflix and Tesla. Plus, President Trump demolishing the East Wing of The White House, and demanding $230 million from The Justice Department. We're going on tour! Get tickets at pivottour.com Watch this episode on the ⁠⁠Pivot YouTube channel⁠⁠. Follow us on Instagram and Threads at ⁠⁠@pivotpodcastofficial⁠⁠. Follow us on Bluesky at ⁠⁠@pivotpod.bsky.social⁠⁠ Follow us on TikTok at ⁠⁠@pivotpodcast⁠⁠. Send us your questions by calling us at 855-51-PIVOT, or email pivot@voxmedia.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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