A16Z's David George on How Private and Public Markets Fused Into One
A16Z's David George on How Private and Public Markets Fused Into One
78 days agoOdd LotsBloomberg
Podcast48 min 31 sec
Listen to Episode
Note: AI-generated summary based on third-party content. Not financial advice. Read more.
Quick Insights

The Artificial Intelligence (AI) sector represents a generational investment theme, with an estimated $5 trillion infrastructure buildout expected over the next 5-7 years. For rare public market "hyper-growth," consider Palantir (PLTR), which is growing at 70% and demonstrates the premium investors will pay for scarce growth. Mega-cap leaders Meta (META) and Alphabet (GOOGL) are also strong AI plays, proving they can still accelerate revenue growth significantly. Investors should be cautious with legacy SaaS companies that are not leading the AI transition, as they risk growth stagnation. Finally, avoid investing in private companies through Special Purpose Vehicles (SPVs) due to high concentration risk and founder opposition.

Detailed Analysis

Private Markets vs. Public Markets

  • The private technology market has grown 10x in the last 10 years and now represents approximately $5 trillion in market capitalization. This is nearly a quarter of the S&P 500's value.
  • This growth is highly concentrated. The 10 largest private companies account for 40% of that $5 trillion market cap.
  • While private markets have grown, the number of public companies has been cut in half over the last 20 years.
  • A massive shift has occurred in where value is created. For companies that went public 10 years ago, 88% of their value creation happened in the public markets. For recent IPOs, 55% of their value creation happened while they were still private.
  • Companies are staying private longer due to deeper private capital markets, the ability to provide employee liquidity through regular tender offers (like SpaceX does), and a desire to avoid public market volatility and reporting requirements.
  • The main catalysts for a company to finally go public are the need for even larger pools of capital for massive projects, easier access to debt financing, and the use of public stock as currency for large acquisitions (M&A).

Takeaways

  • The highest-growth technology companies are increasingly staying private for longer. This means a significant portion of a company's growth and value appreciation happens before the average retail investor can participate via an IPO.
  • If you want to invest in "hyper-growth" (companies growing over 30%), the opportunities are almost exclusively in the private markets. The podcast notes there are only three such companies in their public market universe.
  • The traditional IPO "pop" may be less significant in the future, as much of the value has already been captured by private investors.

Artificial Intelligence (AI) Sector

  • The guest, David George of A16Z, believes AI businesses have the potential to be "some of the best businesses ever created."
  • Demand for AI products is growing at a rate never seen before, faster than the internet, mobile, or cloud computing eras.
  • The infrastructure buildout for AI is estimated to require $5 trillion over the next 5-7 years.
  • Unlike the dot-com bubble, which was characterized by "dark fiber" (unused capacity), there are currently no "dark GPUs." All computing power being brought online is immediately utilized, indicating that demand is keeping pace with the massive supply buildout.
  • A distinction is made between foundational model companies (like OpenAI) and application companies.
    • Model Companies: Will act as "arms dealers," providing the core intelligence for many industries.
    • Application Companies: Have a "very bright future" by building solutions on top of these models for specific industries (e.g., legal, medical, finance). Customers buy complete solutions, and industry-specific context and data remain critical.

Takeaways

  • AI represents a generational investment theme with unprecedented growth signals.
  • Investors can find opportunities in both the foundational model creators and the application-layer companies that use AI to disrupt specific verticals.
  • The risk of a speculative bubble bursting is currently viewed as lower than in past tech cycles because real, measurable demand is absorbing the massive capital investment in infrastructure.

Legacy Software Sector (SaaS)

  • The traditional software-as-a-service (SaaS) industry has been "crushed" in the public markets.
  • The primary risk for these companies is not that they will be replaced overnight, but that their growth will stagnate.
    • Corporate budgets are shifting aggressively towards AI initiatives, leaving less for expanding use of traditional software.
    • Net dollar retention for these companies has been steadily declining since 2021.
    • The guest projects that in 2026, OpenAI and Anthropic alone will add more new revenue than the entire incumbent software market combined (including giants like SAP, Salesforce, Workday, and ServiceNow).
  • A major disruptive threat is a shift in business models from seat-based subscriptions to outcome-based pricing, a model that massively favors new, AI-native companies.

Takeaways

  • Investors should be cautious about legacy SaaS companies that are not clearly leading the transition to AI. They risk becoming low-growth "systems of record" while new players capture all the upside.
  • When evaluating a software company, look for evidence of how they are capturing new AI-related budgets, not just retaining existing customers. The potential for a business model shift to "outcome-based" pricing is a key long-term risk to monitor.

Databricks (Private)

  • Presented as a premier private company and a top holding for A16Z's Growth Fund.
  • The company is still growing at over 60% annually, even at a large scale.
  • The guest notes that public market investors often struggle to properly value this kind of sustained "hyper-growth," suggesting it might be undervalued if it were public today.
  • A16Z's growth fund invested in its portfolio (which includes Databricks) at an average valuation of 21 times revenue for companies growing 100% on average, a trade the guest described as an "incredible investment opportunity."

Takeaways

  • Databricks is a key example of a top-tier, high-growth company that remains private, capturing immense value for its early investors.
  • Its performance is used as a benchmark for what "hyper-growth" looks like, a stark contrast to the slower growth seen in most of the public software market.

Palantir (PLTR)

  • Mentioned as a rare public market exception: a software company that is still exhibiting "hyper-growth."
  • The company is growing at 70%, roughly the same size as the private company Databricks.
  • It trades at a valuation multiple of 35 times revenue, showing that public markets are willing to pay a very high premium for this level of growth when they can find it.

Takeaways

  • Palantir serves as a public market comparable for what a company like Databricks could be valued at if it were public.
  • The high multiple assigned to PLTR reinforces the scarcity of hyper-growth companies in the public markets and the premium investors will pay for it.

Meta (META) & Alphabet (GOOGL)

  • These companies are cited as examples of mega-cap tech giants that can still achieve shocking acceleration in growth.
  • Meta accelerated its revenue growth to 30% in a recent quarter, and Google grew at over 20%.
  • This performance defies the traditional "law of large numbers," which assumes large companies cannot sustain high growth rates.

Takeaways

  • Investors should not automatically assume that the largest technology companies have their best growth days behind them.
  • The ability of companies like Meta and Google to re-accelerate growth demonstrates their powerful market positions and ability to capitalize on new trends.

Special Purpose Vehicles (SPVs)

  • The guest expressed a strong negative sentiment towards SPVs, which are vehicles created to pool money from smaller investors to buy shares in a single private company.
  • Founders "really don't like" them because they obscure who is actually on the company's list of shareholders (the "cap table").
  • The private company Anduril has "famously gone to war" with SPV organizers to maintain control over its ownership.
  • SPVs are also described as inherently risky for the end investor because they represent a concentrated, non-diversified bet on a single private company.

Takeaways

  • Retail investors should be extremely cautious if offered a chance to invest in a hot startup through an SPV.
  • These investments carry high concentration risk and may not be sanctioned by the company's founders, creating potential complications.
Ask about this postAnswers are grounded in this post's content.
Episode Description
This year could be a big one for IPOs. From Anthropic to SpaceX to OpenAI, we could see some gigantic companies hit the public market. But of course, the big story is that big, thriving companies feel less and less pressure to go public. In a different era, private giants like Databricks and Stripe might've IPO'd a long time ago. So what's changed? Why are companies comfortable staying private for so long? On this episode, we speak with David George, a general partner at Andreesen Horowitz, who leads the firm's growth investing team. He discusses how private markets have grown deeper and more liquid, which greatly reduces the need for companies to have public stock at all. We also talk about how he's thinking about the AI disruption trade, and when it makes sense for these private giants to bite the bullet and expose their stock to public investors. Read more: Private Equity Targets Clean Energy After Steep Drop-Off in 2025 Andreessen Horowitz Backs Unicorn Kavak in $300 Million Round Only http://Bloomberg.com subscribers can get the Odd Lots newsletter in their inbox each week, plus unlimited access to the site and app. Subscribe at  bloomberg.com/subscriptions/oddlots Subscribe to the Odd Lots Newsletter Join the conversation: discord.gg/oddlots See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
About Odd Lots
Odd Lots

Odd Lots

By Bloomberg

<p>Bloomberg's Joe Weisenthal and Tracy Alloway explore the most interesting topics in finance, markets and economics. Join the conversation every Monday and Thursday.</p>