My guest today is Sam Altman, CEO of OpenAI.
It's a conversation spanning the history, present, and future of OpenAI, from the origin of ChatGPT through Codex, hardware, and their new Jalapeno chip.
We discuss the early decision to buy compute at a scale nobody thought was rational, and the plan to build a gigawatt of new capacity every week.
We talk about Kimi and distillation, the Hugging Face incident and what it means for the pace of AI development, and what it's like to raise kids who will grow up never knowing a world without abundant intelligence.
Please enjoy my conversation with Sam Altman.
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Timestamps:
(00:00:00) Welcome to Invest Like The Best
(00:02:02) Intro: Sam Altman, CEO of OpenAI
(00:02:35) Refocusing
(00:05:43) OpenAI’s Compute Bets
(00:09:07) Data Centers
(00:11:14) Jalapeno Chip
(00:11:52) Kimi, Distillation & Open Source
(00:14:39) The Hugging Face Incident
(00:17:46) OpenAI's Mission & Vision
(00:22:14) All the Returns Are at the Frontier
(00:22:27) Bottlenecks: Compute, Research, Data
(00:23:49) Sam's View on AI & Jobs
(00:26:56) Unpopular Bets That Turned Out Right
(00:27:45) Model Cycles
(00:29:45) How Sam Uses AI
(00:32:44) Having Kids
(00:34:56) Why Sam Has No Equity in OpenAI
(00:35:33) Robotics
(00:36:48) The Origin Story of ChatGPT
(00:39:22) How to Get AI into More Hands
(00:42:20) How Sam Recruited Great AI Researchers
(00:43:57) What Sam Learned From Being an Investor
(00:45:22) What the Next 6–36 Months Look Like
(00:46:31) Codex
(00:49:36) Could We Be Oversupplied in Compute in Two Years?
(00:50:09) Sam's View on Scaling Laws
(00:50:20) Alec Radford
(00:51:12) Formative Moments
(00:53:50) Kindest Thing