Matthew Smith — How America Runs Out of Natural Gas by 2030 - [Invest Like the Best, EP.483]
Matthew Smith — How America Runs Out of Natural Gas by 2030 - [Invest Like the Best, EP.483]
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Quick Insights

Investors should prepare for a structural Natural Gas supply deficit starting in 2028, which could drive prices from the current $3.50 range to over $8.00 per MCF. Expand Energy (EXE) is a high-conviction play currently trading at a low 4x EBITDA, offering significant upside due to its control of critical Haynesville shale inventory. For exposure to the Appalachian region, EQT Corporation (EQT) and Range Resources (RRC) are top-tier producers positioned to benefit as gas becomes the primary fuel for U.S. power generation. To hedge against rising electricity costs, look toward utility-scale solar providers like NextEra Energy Partners (NEP) and Clearway Energy (CWEN), which can reprice power contracts at much higher margins. In the nuclear sector, Cameco (CCJ) and BWX Technologies (BWXT) are the strongest long-term bets to benefit from the necessary expansion of large-scale reactor infrastructure.

Detailed Analysis

Natural Gas (Commodity)

• The U.S. is facing a structural deficit in natural gas supply starting in 2028, driven by the simultaneous ramp-up of LNG exports and AI data center power demand. • Current market expectations assume gas is abundant due to the shale boom (2010–present), leading to a "flat" price curve through 2030 that does not account for upcoming scarcity. • Supply Constraints: • U.S. production is expected to peak around 128–132 BCF/day, but known high-quality inventory is being depleted rapidly. • Infrastructure is a major bottleneck; only one major interstate pipeline (Mountain Valley) has been built in the last decade. • Demand Drivers: • LNG exports are scheduled to grow from 15 BCF/day to 35 BCF/day by 2030. • AI compute is estimated to add at least 5 BCF/day of demand in the base case, potentially rising to 15 BCF/day.

Takeaways

Price Risk: The upside risk to natural gas prices starting in 2028 is "unbounded and convex." Prices could structurally double or triple from current levels ($3.50 range) to $8–$10+ per MCF. • Storage Depletion: U.S. working gas storage (approx. 4 TCF) could be exhausted by 2030 if current demand projections hold. • Action for Businesses: Companies reliant on gas should move to secure physical supply contracts now, as the market is currently illiquid for 2028–2030.


Expand Energy (EXE) / EQT Corporation (EQT)

Expand Energy is identified as a primary winner due to its control of approximately 70% of the remaining "core" Haynesville shale wells. • EQT and Range Resources (RRC) are highlighted as high-quality upstream producers in Appalachia with mature portfolios and the ability to grow returns as prices rise.

Takeaways

Valuation Gap: Expand Energy is currently trading at roughly 4x EBITDA, which the guest suggests is deeply undervalued because the market is not pricing in the 2028 supply crunch. • Bullish Sentiment: These producers own the "rock" (resource) that will become the most critical fuel in the U.S. as it overtakes petroleum in importance for power generation.


Nuclear Energy & Uranium

• Large-scale nuclear is viewed as the only viable long-term solution to the gas deficit, though lead times are long (10–15 years). • Small Modular Reactors (SMRs) are currently viewed as "science experiments" that lack the manufacturing scale to solve the immediate 2030 crisis.

Takeaways

Cameco (CCJ): A key beneficiary as it owns 49% of Westinghouse. The AP1000 reactor is cited as the only proven large-scale design ready for deployment. • BWX Technologies (BWXT): Positioned to win as a primary supplier for the nuclear ecosystem and the U.S. Navy. • Investment Timeline: Nuclear is a "2030s story," but government de-risking (via the Loan Program Office) could accelerate sentiment sooner.


Solar & Renewables

• Utility-scale solar assets with existing Power Purchase Agreements (PPAs) stand to see massive margin expansion as marginal electricity prices (set by gas) skyrocket. • Residential Solar is predicted to grow exponentially, not due to subsidies, but as a "defensive" necessity for consumers to avoid peak electricity prices.

Takeaways

NextEra Energy Partners (NEP / XPLR): Highlighted for its ability to mark PPAs to market at higher values in the late 2020s without incremental CapEx. • Clearway Energy (CWEN): Similarly positioned to benefit from rising electricity prices. • Consumer Shift: Residential solar + battery storage will become the primary way for households to protect against a 2028–2030 energy crisis.


Sector Risks: Hyperscalers & Manufacturers

Hyperscalers (Google, Microsoft, Amazon, Meta): Energy currently accounts for ~10% of their costs; this could rise to 20–30% by 2029, threatening profitability margins. • Distributed Generation Manufacturers: Companies like Caterpillar (CAT) and Bloom Energy (BE) are ramping up capacity for gas-fired turbines and fuel cells.

Takeaways

Bearish Sentiment on Fuel Cells: There is skepticism regarding the ability to power fuel cells 24/7 at scale because the gas simply won't be available in the system. • Capex Risk: Engineering and Construction (E&C) firms trading at high multiples (25x cash flow) may face a "cliff" in 2029 if regulators halt new gas plant builds due to fuel scarcity. • Efficiency Metric: "Performance per watt" will become the most critical metric for AI hardware as energy costs soar.

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Episode Description
My guest today is Matthew Smith. Matthew is the founder and CIO of Chronometer Partners, which invests in energy, industrials, materials, power and utilities, and related infrastructure. For the last 18 months he and his team have modeled nearly every natural gas well, pipeline, and processing asset in the United States. He's reached a conclusion most of the market doesn't share.  Starting in 2028, AI data centers and LNG exports will need more gas than the country can produce and deliver. By his math, the US could exhaust its working natural gas storage by 2030. In his words, the upside risk to prices becomes unbounded and convex. We talk about why this was set in motion long before AI arrived, why the US can't just turn off exports, who wins and loses among producers, nuclear, solar, and the hyperscalers, and what he sees as the only long-term solution. Please enjoy my conversation with Matthew Smith. For the full show notes, transcript, and links to mentioned content, check out the episode page ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠here⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠.  ----- In June, Matthew wrote a letter to a small group of confidants laying out the full case behind his natural gas forecast. He has allowed us to publish it. You can read the full letter here. ----- Become a Colossus member to get our quarterly print magazine and private audio experience, including exclusive profiles and early access to select episodes. Subscribe at ⁠colossus.com/subscribe⁠. ----- ⁠Ramp’s⁠ mission is to help companies manage their spend in a way that reduces expenses and frees up time for teams to work on more valuable projects. Go to⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠ramp.com/invest⁠⁠ to sign up for free and get a $250 welcome bonus. ----- Trusted by thousands of businesses, ⁠Vanta⁠ continuously monitors your security posture and streamlines audits so you can win enterprise deals and build customer trust without the traditional overhead. Invest Like the Best listeners get a special offer of $1,000 off Vanta when you go to ⁠vanta.com/invest⁠.  ----- WorkOS⁠ is the infrastructure B2B and AI-native companies use to sell to enterprise. It covers everything enterprise security requires: SSO, SCIM, RBAC, Audit Logs, AI governance, and more. Trusted by 2,000+ fast-growing companies, including OpenAI, Anthropic, Cursor, and Vercel. ----- Rogo is the AI platform for finance. They're building agents for Wall Street that are trained to understand how bankers and investors actually do work: from diligence and modeling, to turning analysis into deliverables. To learn more, visit rogo.ai/invest. ----- ⁠Ridgeline⁠ has built a complete, real-time, modern operating system for investment managers. It handles trading, portfolio management, compliance, customer reporting, and much more through an all-in-one real-time cloud platform. Visit⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ridgeline.ai⁠. ----- Editing and post-production work for this episode was provided by The Podcast Consultant. Timestamps: (00:00:00) Welcome to Invest Like the Best (00:02:02) Episode Intro: Matt Smith (00:03:33) The Conclusion After 18 Months (00:04:56) The Die Was Cast Before AI (00:07:24) Sizing AI's Gas Demand (00:09:33) Why Not Just Stop Exporting? (00:11:38) Is the Gas Even There? (00:13:53) The Timing Problem, Not Supply (00:15:15) Flow Versus Stock (00:19:10) What Slows Gas to Market (00:22:21) If Nothing Changes by 2030 (00:26:11) Could Prices Hit Twenty Dollars? (00:27:00) Gas Producers Poised to Win (00:28:54) Utility-Scale Solar's Windfall (00:30:08) What About Nuclear? (00:32:40) SMRs (00:34:29) The US Consumer Pays (00:36:37) Turbine Makers Building Too Late (00:37:57) Are Hyperscalers Exposed Too? (00:44:25) Kickstarting the Nuclear Build (00:46:20) Put Solar on Every Roof (00:46:52) Implications for the World (00:49:26) No One's Securing Supply (00:52:57) The Challenge for Energy CEOs
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