The Backdoor Bet on OpenAI
The Backdoor Bet on OpenAI
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Quick Insights

Consider an investment in Microsoft (MSFT) as a "backdoor" way to gain exposure to the private AI leader, OpenAI. A potential restructuring of their partnership could grant MSFT a massive equity stake in OpenAI, with a potential announcement catalyst by the end of the year. Watch for news regarding this deal, as a one-third stake could add over $165 billion to Microsoft's balance sheet and significantly impact the stock. Separately, Amazon (AMZN) has become a more compelling AI play now that its AWS cloud platform can host OpenAI models. This development removes a key competitive disadvantage and positions Amazon to capture a larger share of the AI development market.

Detailed Analysis

Microsoft (MSFT)

  • The podcast presents Microsoft as a "backdoor" investment into OpenAI, which is a private company and considered the leader in the AI space.
  • Microsoft has a deal where it receives approximately 50 cents of every dollar of OpenAI's revenue until its ~$13 billion investment is paid back tenfold (a total of ~$130 billion).
  • Thesis: OpenAI's CEO, Sam Altman, needs immense capital for growth and cannot afford this revenue-sharing agreement. It is believed he is in negotiations with Microsoft to restructure this deal.
  • The most likely outcome of this negotiation is that Microsoft will receive a large equity stake in OpenAI, estimated to be between one-third (33%) and 50%.
  • Catalyst: OpenAI is reportedly raising funds at a $500 billion valuation. If Microsoft receives a one-third stake, it would represent a $165 billion asset on its books. This would be a massive single-quarter "markup" that could significantly move the stock price.
  • Timeline: There is a strong incentive for this deal to be resolved by the end of the year, as a separate $20 billion investment from SoftBank is contingent on the Microsoft situation being resolved.

Takeaways

  • An investment in MSFT is viewed as an indirect way to gain exposure to the massive growth of OpenAI before a potential multi-trillion dollar IPO.
  • Investors should watch for news leaks or official announcements regarding the restructuring of the OpenAI/Microsoft partnership. This is considered a "social arb" (social arbitrage) opportunity.
  • The speaker is playing this by holding a core equity position in MSFT and using a "levered position" (likely options) that they adjust based on news flow and perceived likelihood of an announcement.
  • The recent news that the US government will get access to ChatGPT for $1 is seen as another positive for Microsoft, as Microsoft will likely be paid for the massive amount of cloud computing (Azure) the government's usage will require.

Amazon (AMZN)

  • A significant recent development was Amazon's AWS cloud platform gaining full access to host OpenAI's models.
  • Previously, companies wanting to build on OpenAI's models were heavily incentivized to use Microsoft's Azure cloud. This news removes a key competitive disadvantage for Amazon.
  • The speaker noted that this was a development Amazon had been aggressively pursuing for nearly two years.

Takeaways

  • This partnership makes Amazon's AWS a more competitive platform for AI development, potentially capturing business from companies that are building with OpenAI but prefer to host on AWS.
  • The speaker viewed this news as very bullish and immediately bought Amazon calls, which reportedly performed well.

Lululemon (LULU)

  • The stock is down significantly (~65%) and is trading at a low price-to-earnings (P/E) ratio of around 13.
  • Bull Case:
    • There are "tailwinds in the product mix," with a new jacket and new bags being very popular. A specific new tote bag is reportedly going viral on TikTok.
    • Google search traffic for Lululemon showed an "astonishing" and uncharacteristic pop during the summer.
    • A very recent, small uptick has been observed in credit card transaction data.
  • Bear Case:
    • The positive search traffic has not yet translated into increased activity on the Lululemon checkout page.
    • Competition from cheaper "dupes" is a known headwind that has contributed to the stock's decline.

Takeaways

  • This is considered a "low to medium conviction" speculative trade heading into earnings.
  • The speaker is making a bet that the positive product and search trends will begin to show up in sales data in the coming weeks.
  • The play is being made with Lululemon calls. The speaker initially lost money on a set of calls but "doubled down" on the thesis by buying more.

Nvidia (NVDA)

  • Nvidia is still considered a core way to play the AI supercycle, and the speaker is holding NVDA calls.
  • A major risk factor was highlighted: the potential for the Trump administration to announce tariffs on chips.
  • The speaker expressed nervousness about this possibility and how it could negatively impact the stock in the short term.

Takeaways

  • While the long-term AI trend is bullish for Nvidia, investors should be aware of the significant political and regulatory risk from potential tariffs, which could create volatility.

Tesla (TSLA)

  • The sentiment on Tesla is currently cautious due to "so many unknowns."
  • Robotics (Optimus): There are concerns that the Optimus robot program is set back by about a year due to internal issues.
  • Robo-Taxi: While the program is expanding, there is no clear timeline for removing the human safety drivers, which is the key to the business model. The regulatory hurdles are seen as a major and unpredictable obstacle.

Takeaways

  • The speaker sees massive long-term potential (10-20x) if Tesla solves full self-driving and robotics, but believes the "opportunity cost of capital is way too high" to invest heavily right now.
  • The strategy is to wait on the sidelines for concrete signs of progress on the key initiatives, even if it means buying the stock at a higher price later.

Other Mentioned Stocks & Themes

  • Google (GOOGL): While the underlying tech at DeepMind is considered exciting, its Gemini AI model is seen as lagging far behind OpenAI's ChatGPT in terms of consumer adoption and usage, which is "where the money is."
  • Celsius (CELH): A short-term speculative trade was made ahead of earnings. The bullish thesis is based on the recent acquisition of the Alani energy drink brand, which is described as "hot hot hot" with strong branding and shelf space.
  • Yeti (YETI): A trade was made using options based on the viral popularity of the Camino tote bag. The hope for the upcoming earnings call is a positive mention of the bag's success or an increase in foot traffic. This was described as a "not high conviction" trade.
  • American Eagle (AEO): The speaker's research into the impact of the Sidney Sweeney controversy was "inconclusive." The thesis is that the stock's "Trump bump" was speculative and the only thing that matters is sales data, which is not yet available. The speaker has a bearish long-term view on the company.
  • On Running (ONON): The speaker bought some calls "just for fun" because data looked good, especially in comparison to competitor Hoka, which recently had a very strong earnings report.
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