Rivian Losing Money On R2 (As Expected)
Rivian Losing Money On R2 (As Expected)
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Quick Insights
  • RIVN presents the clearest actionable risk: the analysis is strongly bearish, citing continued automotive losses, heavy cash burn, and possible dilutive financing in mid-to-late 2027; it gives no price target or entry level.
  • Avoid treating RIVN’s reported consolidated gross profit as proof of improving vehicle economics; monitor R2 margins and cash burn, especially as regulatory-credit revenue and partnership-related accounting benefits fade.
  • Do not count UBER’s potential $250 million investment as secured funding: it is conditional on milestones and, according to the analysis, would not resolve Rivian’s longer-term financing needs.
Detailed Analysis

Rivian Automotive (RIVN)

  • The speaker is strongly bearish on Rivian and argues that its business is not sustainable, despite the stock rising about 5% after hours following the reported earnings results.
  • Rivian’s share price has fallen more than 90% from its roughly $100 billion IPO valuation in 2021, according to the transcript.
  • The company’s R2 is intended to reach a broader market than its more expensive R1 vehicles:
    • The R1T starts at about $80,000 and the R1S at about $84,000.
    • Rivian began delivering the R2 Performance trim, priced from $58,000, in June.
    • The $54,000 Premium trim is expected in late 2026, and the $45,000 Standard trim in 2027.
  • The speaker’s central concern is that Rivian may lose money on the lower-priced R2 trims. The transcript says Rivian already loses money on the R1S and reported an automotive-segment gross loss on the R2’s initial deliveries.
  • In Q3 2026, Rivian delivered 19,248 vehicles, up from about 12,000 in the prior quarter. The average selling price fell from $94,000 to $80,500, while the reported automotive gross loss widened from $36 million to $80 million. The speaker interprets this as evidence that higher R2 sales are not yet improving vehicle-level economics.
  • The speaker cautions that Rivian’s reported consolidated gross profit has been helped by accounting treatment related to its Volkswagen partnership. The transcript says that benefit runs through 2028 and is not representative of automotive-segment profitability.
  • Other factors the speaker says affected Q3 results:
    • $120 million in incremental R2 ramp-up costs, which Rivian attributed partly to production ramping.
    • $81 million in regulatory-credit revenue, which the speaker says is being phased out over roughly the next year.
    • A tariff refund worth tens of millions of dollars, according to the speaker’s interpretation of the earnings-call comments.
  • Rivian is described as burning about $1 billion per quarter, or $4 billion annually. The speaker estimates that even if Rivian receives a contingent $250 million investment from Uber, its cash would be about $5.75 billion—roughly six quarters of cash burn at the stated rate.
  • The speaker expects Rivian may need a large, dilutive funding round in mid-to-late 2027 and estimates that, at the current burn rate, it could run out of money around Q1 2028. The speaker also expects the R2 ramp could increase cash burn.

Takeaways

  • The transcript presents a bearish investment thesis centered on negative vehicle margins, substantial cash burn, and potential future dilution. The stock’s after-hours rise is noted, but the speaker does not view the earnings results as evidence that the underlying economics have improved.
  • For investors assessing the thesis, the key items to monitor are R2 vehicle-level margins, cash burn as production scales, the phaseout of regulatory-credit revenue, and whether Rivian obtains additional financing.
  • The transcript provides no price target and does not establish a specific buy or sell level. Its negative commentary is the speaker’s view, not a verified forecast.

Volkswagen Group

  • Volkswagen invested billions of dollars in Rivian through a partnership and joint venture, according to the transcript.
  • The speaker argues that the partnership’s accounting treatment has boosted Rivian’s reported consolidated gross-profit figures, even though it does not reflect the underlying profitability of vehicle sales.
  • The speaker says the partnership runs through 2028, after which this accounting benefit will no longer be available.

Takeaways

  • For investors evaluating Rivian, the speaker’s point is to distinguish automotive-segment results from consolidated results that include partnership-related accounting effects.
  • The transcript does not offer a separate investment thesis or recommendation on Volkswagen shares.

Uber (UBER)

  • Rivian has a partnership with Uber. Under the arrangement described in the transcript, Uber may provide an additional $250 million equity investment if Rivian achieves specified milestones by year-end.
  • The investment is conditional; the transcript does not say that the milestones have been achieved or that the funds have been received.

Takeaways

  • The potential investment could provide Rivian with additional cash, but the speaker argues it would not resolve the company’s longer-term funding needs given its stated cash-burn rate.
  • The transcript does not offer a separate investment thesis or recommendation on Uber shares.

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  • The speaker explicitly notes that the portfolio’s reported share-price performance is not the hypothetical return from shorting those stocks; underperformance relative to the S&P 500 is described as desirable.
  • No specific short positions, entry points, or price targets are identified in the transcript.

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For original short-selling research and much more check out our website: https://www.differentiatedanalytics.com/ Use code WSM50 at check out for 50% off In this video we analyze Rivian's Q3 earnings results. Nothing in this video is investing advice, we are giving our own opinions based on publicly available information. We may have positions in any stock mentioned in this video and may change any position at any time without notice. Please do your own work and consult with a financial advisor before making any investment decision.
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