How High Can It Go?
3 days ago1000xBlockworks
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Quick Insights

Bitcoin (BTC) is showing strong upward momentum with a primary price target of $150,000, driven by an increasing money supply. Consider beginning to take profits on long-term BTC holdings within the $137,000 to $158,000 price range. When de-risking, a key strategy is to rotate profits from Bitcoin directly into Gold to hedge against dollar debasement. For those with higher risk tolerance, consider rotating a small amount of BTC profits into select altcoins like Hyperliquid (HYPE) if they lag the market. Be cautious on most other altcoins, as projects like Cardano (ADA) and Polkadot (DOT) face heavy selling pressure and could be candidates to short against BTC.

Detailed Analysis

Bitcoin (BTC)

  • The speakers are extremely bullish on Bitcoin in the short to medium term, describing the current price action as an "escalator up" and an "ice luge straight to 150k".
  • The current price was noted as $120,000, with a recent high of $123,000.
  • Primary Bullish Driver: The rally is attributed to the increase in the M2 money supply. The speakers believe Bitcoin is acting as a debasement hedge and is simply following the lagged effects of money printing, suggesting a "straight shot to 150k".
  • Market Psychology: The consolidation around $110,000 exhausted a lot of selling pressure, and now the price is in an "air pocket upwards" with little resistance.

Takeaways

  • Price Levels to Watch:
    • $150,000 is a key psychological level. One speaker considers this a "call level" – a point to pause and deeply re-evaluate their position.
    • A price zone of $137,000 to $158,000 was identified using a technical indicator (extended Bollinger bands). One speaker plans to start taking profits for the long term within this range.
  • Exit Metrics to Monitor:
    • MVRV Z-Score: This is a key metric for identifying cycle tops. A score above 4 or 5 is considered a signal to "start getting nervous" and potentially de-risk. However, the speakers caution that this metric's reliability might be changing due to institutional activity (like ETF custodians moving large amounts of BTC).
    • Coin Flow to Exchanges: A definitive sell signal would be seeing large, long-term holders (e.g., Satoshi's wallets, early miners) begin moving significant amounts of Bitcoin to exchanges. This is seen as a more reliable on-chain metric to monitor.
  • Portfolio Strategy:
    • The primary strategy is to "keep riding" the trend and not get shaken out.
    • When it is time to de-risk, consider rotating from Bitcoin into Gold rather than selling for US Dollars, as the dollar is expected to weaken.

Treasury Company Stocks

  • This refers to publicly traded companies that operate like MicroStrategy (MSTR), raising capital to buy and hold crypto on their balance sheets.
  • The proliferation of these companies is considered a sign of market froth.
  • The speakers warn of a potential "elevator down" scenario. If these companies are all buying at the same time, they will likely all try to sell at the same time, which could cause a "red candle for the ages".
  • A key risk factor is a broader macro contagion that would impact these companies' ability to get credit, which would then force them to sell their crypto holdings.
  • An interesting trend is "dead biotech companies" pivoting to become crypto treasury vehicles.

Takeaways

  • Specific Stocks Mentioned:
    • BitMine Immersion Technologies (BMNR): This company is buying Ethereum (ETH). It was presented as a potential levered bet on ETH for investors bullish on Ethereum.
    • Sonnet Biotherapeutics Holding (SONN): This former biotech company's stock tripled after it announced a merger to acquire Hyperliquid. This is an example of the speculative nature of this sector.
  • Investment Strategy:
    • These stocks can offer leveraged exposure to crypto assets within a traditional brokerage account.
    • An advanced pairs trade strategy was suggested: go long on treasury companies trading at a discount to their Net Asset Value (NAV), such as some in Germany, while shorting those trading at a high premium, like many in the US.

Altcoins (General)

  • The speakers are generally bearish on the prospect of a broad-based altcoin season like in previous cycles.
  • The reasoning is that many projects have teams holding large amounts of tokens ("bags") that they are waiting to sell ("dump") into any rally.
  • Investors who were burned in 2021 are expected to take profits quickly rather than holding for new all-time highs.

Takeaways

  • Shorting Strategy: A potential trade is to identify altcoins with a very negative Sharpe Ratio, which indicates steady, persistent selling pressure. The idea is to short these coins against Bitcoin (BTC), not against the US Dollar, after they experience a brief rally.
  • "Crappy Alts" to Watch: The following were mentioned as examples of coins with poor sentiment that fit this thesis:
    • dogwifhat (WIF)
    • Cardano (ADA)
    • Polkadot (DOT)
    • Hedera (HBAR)

Select Altcoins (Rotation Plays)

  • While bearish on the broad altcoin market, the speakers believe a few select, high-quality projects could outperform.
  • The strategy discussed is to rotate a small portion of Bitcoin profits into these select alts, especially when Bitcoin has had a strong run and these alts have lagged.

Takeaways

  • Potential Rotation Candidates:
    • Hyperliquid (HYPE): Mentioned as "good stuff" that has been underperforming Bitcoin recently. A potential rotation opportunity could arise if BTC hits $130k while HYPE remains around $47.
    • Syrup (SYRUP): Also described as "good stuff" that has been down since Bitcoin's recent rally began, potentially offering a good entry point for rotation.

Gold

  • Gold is viewed as a primary debasement hedge and a benchmark for valuing Bitcoin. Its market cap was stated to be $22 trillion.
  • Bitcoin is currently about 10% of Gold's market cap. One speaker's long-term valuation model for Bitcoin was 10-25% of Gold's market cap, a target that is now being reached.
  • The speakers debate whether Bitcoin could eventually reach 30-50% of Gold's market cap or even "flip" it entirely.

Takeaways

  • For investors looking to reduce their Bitcoin exposure at higher prices, a suggested strategy is to rotate profits from Bitcoin into Gold.
  • This is seen as a way to stay hedged against dollar debasement while taking risk off the table from the more volatile asset (Bitcoin).
Episode Description
Gm! This week, we talk about Bitcoin ripping through $120k, how high we can go, and what the exit strategy is. We also dig into altcoin rotation strategies, treasury company froth, and the long-term case for BTC flipping gold. Enjoy! -- Go follow the new 1000x feed to keep up to date with all new episodes! Spotify: https://bit.ly/4676Sob  Apple: https://bit.ly/4etlBMd  -- Follow Avi:  https://x.com/AviFelman  Follow Jonah:  https://x.com/jvb_xyz  Follow 1000x:  https://x.com/1000xPod   Join the 1000x Telegram: https://t.me/+fz-2f0cwC6o0MWNh -- Katana is a DeFi-first chain built for deep liquidity and high yield. No empty emissions, just real yield and sequencer fees routed back to DeFi users. Pre-deposit now: Earn high APRs with Turtle Club [https://app.turtle.club/campaigns/katana] or spin the wheel with Katana Krates [https://app.katana.network/krates] -- Ledger, the world leader in digital asset security, proudly sponsors Empire podcast. Celebrating 10 years of protecting over 20% of the world’s crypto, Ledger ensures the security of your assets. For the best self-custody solution in the space, buy a LEDGER™ device and secure your crypto today. Buy now at https://Ledger.com -- Get top market insights and the latest in crypto news. Subscribe to Blockworks Daily Newsletter: https://blockworks.co/newsletter/ -- Timestamps: 00:00) Happy ATH (02:18) Altcoins Next? (06:24) Why Here, Why Now? (09:06) Ads (Kraken OTC, Katana) (10:29) Treasury Company Froth (17:32) GBTC Comparison (20:25) Treasury Pair Trades (21:44) When to Take BTC Profits? (26:44) Ads (Kraken OTC, Katana) (28:07) Bitcoin Metrics (33:42) When is BTC Fairly Valued? (41:30) Ads (Ledger) (42:18) Exit Strategies (50:44) Final Thoughts  -- Disclaimer: Nothing said on 1000x is a recommendation to buy or sell securities or tokens. This podcast is for informational purposes only, and any views expressed by anyone on the show are solely our opinions, not financial advice. Avi, Jonah and our guests may hold positions in the companies, funds, or projects discussed
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