Winners & Losers From PUMP’S ICO With Santi, Yano & Rob Hadick | Weekly Roundup
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Investors should be cautious with the upcoming launch of Pump.fun (PUMP), as early funds who bought at a $4 billion valuation reportedly plan to sell for a quick profit, likely creating extreme price volatility. This trend of successful applications leaving to build their own blockchains is a significant risk for Solana (SOL), which could face a period of underperformance as it loses network activity and fees. Conversely, this "app-chain" thesis is a long-term bullish catalyst for Ethereum (ETH), positioning it as the foundational security layer for this new ecosystem. A core strategy is to view ETH as an investment in the underlying infrastructure that will support this growing trend. In summary, consider the long-term strength of ETH while being wary of the risks facing SOL and the speculative nature of the PUMP token launch.

Detailed Analysis

Pump.fun (PUMP)

  • Context: Pump.fun is a platform, primarily on Solana, that allows for the easy creation of memecoins. It recently conducted a large token sale (ICO) ahead of launching its own chain.
    • Fundraising: The project raised approximately $1 billion at a $4 billion valuation. The allocation was heavily skewed towards VCs and institutional funds ($740 million) versus retail investors ($260 million).
    • Profitability: The platform has been described as the "fastest company in history to $700 million in revenue" and one of the most profitable protocols in crypto.
    • Trading Dynamics: A key point of discussion was the short-term trading outlook. All participants in the private sale, who bought at the $4 billion valuation, can sell their tokens immediately upon launch.
      • The speakers noted that "every liquid fund" they spoke to viewed the launch as a short-term trade, planning to sell for a quick profit (e.g., at a $10-12 billion valuation) and then "dump it."
      • Pre-launch markets on Hyperliquid were trading PUMP at a $5.5 billion valuation.
    • Long-Term Vision: The bull case for Pump.fun is its plan to expand beyond memecoins and become a creator platform to compete with TikTok, Twitch, and Facebook. The idea is to leverage financialization to attract creators by giving them a larger share of the economics.
    • Risks & Competition: The platform faces increasing competition from rivals like Bonk's launchpad, which offers better terms to creators. A major risk is that its success is tied to the highly speculative and volatile memecoin market, and it may struggle to attract mainstream creators.

Takeaways

  • Short-Term Volatility: Investors should be prepared for extreme price volatility immediately after the token launch. With $740 million worth of tokens held by funds looking for a quick exit, there is significant selling pressure expected. The consensus trade of "buy and flip" could lead to a "front-running" scenario where funds try to sell earlier than their peers, potentially suppressing the price.
  • Long-Term Bet on the Creator Economy: A long-term investment in PUMP is a bet on their ability to successfully pivot from a memecoin factory to a legitimate, mainstream creator platform. This is a high-risk, high-reward thesis.
  • Valuation vs. Fundamentals: While the revenue numbers are impressive, the $4 billion entry valuation is high. The protocol's "buy and burn" mechanism is a positive for token value, but its effectiveness will depend on sustaining revenue in the face of growing competition.

Hyperliquid (No Ticker)

  • Context: Hyperliquid is a decentralized derivatives exchange (perp DEX) that was frequently compared to Pump.fun. It is seen as a dominant force in its niche.
    • Valuation: The protocol's implied valuation in pre-markets was cited as being as high as $41 billion.
    • User Base: Hyperliquid's user base is considered to be more "whale" or professional trader-focused, compared to Pump.fun's retail-heavy audience.
    • Strategy: A key part of Hyperliquid's success is its strategy of being the "AWS for liquidity." It allows other applications, like the popular Phantom wallet, to easily integrate its trading infrastructure, giving them instant access to millions of users.
    • Ecosystem Concerns: While the core trading product is "absolutely crushing," there are doubts about the success of its broader ecosystem, HyperEVM. The quality of teams building on Hyperliquid's chain was described as lower than on more established or anticipated chains like Solana, Monad, or MegaE.

Takeaways

  • Dominant Niche Player: Hyperliquid is a clear leader in the on-chain perpetuals trading space. Its high valuation reflects its market share and profitability.
  • Infrastructure Play: The most compelling investment angle is its role as a liquidity provider for the entire crypto ecosystem. As more wallets and apps want to offer trading, they can simply plug into Hyperliquid, driving more volume and fees to the protocol.
  • Ecosystem Risk: The long-term growth beyond being a trading venue is uncertain. The success of its own blockchain ecosystem (HyperEVM) is a key factor to watch but is currently lagging.

Solana (SOL)

  • Context: The discussion around Solana was largely cautious and bearish, driven by the trend of its top applications leaving to launch their own chains.
    • App-Chain Threat: Pump.fun, which at its peak contributed up to two-thirds of Solana's network revenue, is launching its own chain. This represents a significant loss of fees and activity for Solana.
    • Bearish Sentiment: One speaker predicted that Solana is "going to go through a tough period" and might be entering a season of "struggles and some trials and tribulations," similar to what Ethereum experienced in the previous cycle.
    • Developer Drain: A Solana-aligned VC was quoted as being "very underwhelmed" by the quality of new DeFi founders building on Solana recently, stating they had seen "better teams building on Monad and MegaE, pre-launch chains."

Takeaways

  • Monitor App Departures: The primary risk for Solana investors is the "app-chain" thesis. If other major protocols follow Pump.fun and leave the ecosystem, it could severely impact SOL's value accrual.
  • Ecosystem Health is Key: Investors should pay close attention to the quality and number of new projects building on Solana. The platform needs to attract top-tier developers to replace the activity lost from departing apps. The narrative seems to be shifting away from Solana towards newer chains for top talent.

Investment Theme: Mergers & Acquisitions (M&A)

  • Context: The crypto market is experiencing a wave of M&A, with well-capitalized players acquiring smaller projects.
    • Examples: Monad acquired Portal (stablecoin infrastructure), Coinbase acquired Liquify, and Kraken's L2 acquired Vertex.
    • Driver: Many of the acquired companies were funded in 2022 and are now running out of cash. Larger, successful projects are finding it cheaper to "buy vs. build" to add new capabilities and acquire talented teams.
    • Deal Structure: Many deals are not simple cash buyouts. They often involve significant "earn-out" structures, where the acquired team is paid more if they hit specific growth targets post-acquisition.

Takeaways

  • Market Consolidation: The M&A trend signals a maturing market where winners are emerging and consolidating their power.
  • Identifying Targets: For venture-style investors, there may be opportunities in identifying well-built products or talented teams that are part of a project that is struggling to gain traction or running out of funds, as they could become prime acquisition targets. This is a sign of a healthy, maturing industry.

Investment Theme: The App-Chain Thesis

  • Context: A major theme of the discussion was that successful applications are increasingly choosing to launch their own blockchains ("app-chains") rather than remain on a shared Layer 1 like Solana.
    • Incentives: The incentive for a successful app is to capture the full value it creates (like transaction fees) and have more control over its own environment, rather than sharing it with a host platform.
    • Examples: Pump.fun leaving Solana, Uniswap creating Unichain, and Hyperliquid building its own chain are all examples of this trend.
    • The Bull Case for Ethereum (ETH): This trend is seen as bullish for Ethereum. The argument is that ETH can become the ultimate settlement and security layer for this universe of app-chains. These chains will be built as Ethereum L2s, benefiting from ETH's security and liquidity while maintaining their own sovereignty.

Takeaways

  • Shift in Value Accrual: This trend fundamentally changes how to value Layer 1 blockchains. Instead of betting on a single "Ethereum killer" to host all activity, the future may be a modular one centered around a base security layer like Ethereum.
  • Invest in the "Picks and Shovels": This makes the infrastructure that enables app-chains (like the Cosmos SDK, Avalanche Subnets, or Ethereum L2 frameworks) a compelling investment area. The value will be in the tools that allow every app to become its own chain.
Episode Description
Happy Friday! On this roundup, Rob Hadick joins Santi and Yano again this week to discuss PUMP’S ICO, the future of creator driven revenue online, drama at Polymarket, where the best builders are today in the industry and how Agora is elevating stablecoins! -- Start your day with crypto news, analysis and data from Katherine Ross. Subscribe to the Empire newsletter: https://blockworks.co/newsletter/empire?utm_source=podcasts -- Follow Rob: https://x.com/HadickM Follow Santi: https://x.com/santiagoroel Follow Jason: https://x.com/JasonYanowitz Follow Empire: https://twitter.com/theempirepod -- Join the Empire Telegram: https://t.me/+CaCYvTOB4Eg1OWJh -- GEODNET is the world’s largest RTK network, delivering real-time, centimeter-level precision for drones, robots, farmers, and first responders. Recognized by the U.S. Congress, this blockchain-powered network supports mission-critical applications across a wide range of industries. Discover how GEODNET is changing the world: [https://geodnet.com] -- Get up to speed on the biggest stories in crypto each week. In five minutes. Get the Bitwise Weekly CIO Memo delivered directly to your inbox at bitwiseinvestments.com/ciomemo/empire -- Mantle is building the financial infrastructure for a tokenised future—bridging traditional finance and on-chain innovation through six integrated product pillars: Mantle Network, mETH Protocol, Function BTC, and the upcoming launches of MantleX, Mantle Banking, and the Mantle Index Four (MI4) Fund. Anchored by one of the largest community-governed treasuries in the industry, valued at over $4 billion, Mantle is delivering institutional-grade products designed for global capital markets. Follow Mantle on X: https://x.com/Mantle_Official -- Zenrock is a permissionless, decentralized custody network backed by 1RoundTable Partners, 10T, Maven11, and Spartan. Live on Jupiter, $ROCK is the native token for transactions within the Zenrock ecosystem and secures Zenrock’s decentralized custody network.The first application launching on Zenrock is zenBTC – yield-bearing Bitcoin on Solana. zenBTC is now live. -- Citrea is the first zero-knowledge rollup to enhance the capabilities of Bitcoin blockspace and enable Bitcoin applications (₿apps). Citrea is optimistically verified by Bitcoin, offering the most Bitcoin-secured and native way to extend BTC’s utility to DeFi. Learn more about Citrea: https://citrea.xyz/?utm_source=bellcurve&utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=website_promo Follow Citrea on X/Twitter for the latest on its journey to mainnet: https://x.com/citrea_xyz -- Chapters: (00:00) Intro (03:07) Pump ICO (12:52) Ads (Geodnet, Bitwise) (14:29) Creator Strategy (23:55) Pump’s Revenue Clarity (26:31) Solana’s Future (29:40) Where Are The Best Builders? (35:45) Ads (Geodnet, Bitwise) (37:22) Acquisitions (48:24) Ads (Mantle, Zenrock, ,Citrea) (50:42) Zelensky Suit Polymarket Drama (01:00:27) Agora — Disclaimer: Nothing said on Empire is a recommendation to buy or sell securities or tokens. This podcast is for informational purposes only, and any views expressed by anyone on the show are solely our opinions, not financial advice. Santiago, Jason, and our guests may hold positions in the companies, funds, or projects discussed.
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